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[–] Senal@programming.dev 6 points 7 months ago (12 children)

The overview had no mention of a lack of support for "not transitioning" it's certainly possible I'm missing it or it's in the full report (which I'll read when I get a few minutes).

One mention of the need for corresponding levels of support for de-transitioning and some mentions of increased support for other issues alongside the gender based ones.

It sounds like OP had a specific section/sections in mind, if this is indeed the report they were referencing I'd appreciate some indication to which part they were referencing specifically.

"The overview didn't mention it, but its somewhere in this 232 page report" isn't the most useful when trying to understand where someone is coming from.

[–] exocrinous@startrek.website 0 points 7 months ago (10 children)

Personally I think we should be giving kids a lot more support in not transitioning. And by transitioning, I mean transitioning from a girl to a woman or from a boy to a man. If the child isn't 100% certain they want to go through with massive irreversible hormonal changes, they shouldn't. I don't care whether those hormones come from a pill or from a gonad. They can make an informed decision whether to continue with puberty when they're 16-18

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (6 children)

Personally I think we should be giving kids a lot more support in not transitioning. And by transitioning, I mean transitioning from a girl to a woman or from a boy to a man. If the child isn't 100% certain they want to go through with massive irreversible hormonal changes, they shouldn't.

I think you're underestimating the care and caution with which these decisions are approached. No one is rushing kids into transitioning. No one is imposing it on young people who are not sure. There are many safeguards to make sure transitioning only happens where it's appropriate and the person fully understands and agrees to it.

[–] exocrinous@startrek.website 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No, that's not true at all. I was pretty clearly nonbinary growing up, but every adult told me that natural puberty was a good thing and there was no way to avoid it. They didn't tell me that puberty blockers were an option. They should have. It would only be 2 years after reaching natural puberty that I realised I was trans. 2 years of puberty blockers might have made a huge difference to my life. I was sure as shit rushed by every adult I knew into transitioning into a man, just because I was born with a penis.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Sorry, I misread "from a girl to a woman or from a boy to a man" in your first comment, so I misunderstood your intent.

[–] exocrinous@startrek.website 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I thought so. As a soulist, I'm interested in deconstructing and remixing social constructs into forms that benefit social justice. I noticed the hypocrisy of transphobes crying wolf about kids going through irreversible changes, and figured out it takes next to zero effort to use their own language. In appropriating the forms of our enemies' arguments, we reduce their disagreement with us down to its fundamental form - in this case, a religious belief in genetic destiny. That's the only thing setting their arguments of "for the children" apart from my arguments of "for the children". And this is a much harder thing for a bystander to accept unquestioningly than "for the children". I like showing bystanders what's really setting our enemies apart from us.

Think of it like rhetorical kung fu. Using the opponent's force against them

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I like it, it's a smart and revealing strategy. Glad I originally misunderstood now because this comment of yours is really helpful and interesting.

[–] exocrinous@startrek.website 1 points 7 months ago

If you like the tactics soulism adds to the leftist arsenal, you should read the soulist manifesto at http://soulism.net. There's only a few dozen of us, but after reading the manifesto, I saw some pretty huge failures in the mainstream leftist worldview. Most leftists want to win a material victory against Capital, but they categorically refuse to deconstruct the social reality created by Capital to control us. Socially, they're reactive. They take the way their opponent describes the world at face value and only disagree when the scientific method disagrees. But most of our reality is social, not scientific, and the scientific method doesn't help you with that. The mainstream right is much better at crafting realities - a process we soulists call magic - than the mainstream left is. Escaping the body prison doesn't really help if you can't even begin to challenge the mind prison.

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