so, i don't claim to understand much in the way of philosophy, but the uncaring nature of the universe is pretty scary to me. you're right in that the universe itself doesn't have volition but that's exactly the point. the universe is uncaring because it's incapable of it, and that's what's frightening. i also have a phobia of being caught in heavy machinery, which i would similarly describe as 'uncaring'. it'll rip your arms off or whatever because it doesn't care nor know that a human is trapped inside.

[–] Konn@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Right. I don't have much information on nihilism beyond "life is suffering", and I'm not sure it applies to these Pop-Nihilists. But I'm sure they world argue that no external entity is needed to deem the universe as cruel. If I were to make a guess, I'd say they would likely refer to the laws of nature in place of the universe, deeming "nature" (if you will) as cruel, or at least uncaring. Tough, this would be far from the initial "life is suffering" claim, I'm sure it would entail some form of effect nature has on the human psyche (e.g. causality/determinism and with that certain unappealing emotions like hopelessness or frustration). If anyone knows more or would tend to disagree, please let me know :)

All in all good meme, but not very coherent critique, in my opinion

[–] Duchess@yiffit.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yeah, the universe/nature/whatever you want to call it is absolutely cruel but that's due to its random nature. think about kids with leukemia, etc.

[–] Tom_Dude@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd say it's more tragic than cruel. In my mind, cruelty requires conscious decision, something the universe is incapable of. The universe isn't inflicting anything, it is simply happening.

[–] Duchess@yiffit.net 2 points 1 year ago

I think that's more arguing over semantics tbh.

[–] jroid8@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would like to know how did they came to the conclusion that the world problems is caused by nature and not other selfish people. Politicians who didn't allow me to my country's university because of my religious beliefs made this choice not because "the nature" forced them, or they somehow lacked free will. They may blame our flawed natures like greed but I would argue that we can choose not to listen to our emotions and desires. I can shallow my anger, and silence my pride which makes me an entity separate from it's emotions. People can also change their mind if they choose, both in a positive and negative way.

[–] Konn@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Good points, actually. I can't really comment on the nature of free will, as I don't know how common nihilism stands on that matter (I would say that a determined universe seems more "cruel", tough). Whether or not free will exists you could still argue that the actions of people are still the result of the universe

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