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[-] rubythulhu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 54 points 1 year ago

To be fair, it’s completely arbitrary, and all of math would be easier to understand, although slightly more verbose, if the only rule of order of operations is “always use parentheses to denote order, there are no implied parentheses”.

lazy mfs from centuries ago who were mortified by the thought of having to write ( and ) too much (lord what i wouldn’t give to hop in a time machine and show them lisp) should not be dictating our mathematical notation in this century. Explicit grouping is always more obvious to the reader.

[-] foo@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Multiplication is a notation which means add some number by itself a number of times.

5 x 3 = 5 +5 + 5

2 * 4 = 2 + 2 + 2 +2

So when you see some like 2 + 4 * 2 it literally means. 2+4+4

[-] 0ops@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

By that logic it could just as well be 2 + 4 * 2 = (2 + 4) + (2 + 4) = 12. You still need to know to multiply first, or it's arbitrary

Edit: a lot of you are missing my point. The expression above is wrong, duh, but my point is that the choice to "expand out" the multiplication first is a convention that the mathematics community agreed on, not a fact that can be proven or measured. That's why it's arbitrary. @kogasa put nicely, PEMDAS is just a notation, it's how we agreed to read and write our math, but the underlying math is no different. If we all agreed to scramble the order of operations, say to add before we multiply, expressions will look different, parentheses may need to be added or removed, but they will still be mathematically consistent if we are consistent in writing and reading in that agreed upon order of operations.