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I mean, tbh, I'm a little more sympathetic on this than most Hexbears. Like, no, I don't think Putin is Satan incarnate, and yes, this whole mess is America's fault for trying to pull them into NATO. But broadly speaking all the stuff about Ukraine being Nazi-riddled as a casus beli falls flat when Putin has been happy to use far-right-wing groups like Russki Orbaz for his own benefit, and I don't think Russia is really a credible threat to western hegemony like China is, so I don't see how supporting Russia would be meaningfully revolutionarily defeatist. Sure, people like your friend are psychos who soaked up too much propaganda.
But the war is here now, and I think the only thing keeping your average Ukrainian from living in a war zone is western arms shipments, and tbh that's the only argument that I find really resonates with me.
EDIT: Lot of people big mad about this one lmao
@ElGosso@hexbear.net This argument is completely devoid of any understanding of how US imperialism created this war, or the self-determination by citizens in Donetsk and Luhansk to leave a state that came to be run by NATO-backed torturers filled with historical fantasies of racism makes Russia look fairly reluctant to participate in it.
Why would this argument resonate with anyone? Are you basing your understanding of Ukraine off post-2022 discourse? You think those concert-bombing wheeled artillery pieces are protecting civilians? You should take a look at SBU headquarters, Patriot batteries can't even do anything against their new weapons. They're certainly not for destroying apartment complexes or community centers.
The USA has fomented far right parties in Ukraine since WWII but what Nuland and friends have done since 2014 is truly despicable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmaakY-PIAc
It's actually crazy that you can get away with saying "western arms shipments keep Ukrainians from living in a war zone" on this site. How stupid are these people? Do they not realize a civil war was raging for a decade? By the way, are you German? There's no way you're actually German and saying this.
@goog@hexbear.net I don't appreciate you making comments about stupid people. I've talked mostly to smart people who misuse it. I value my peculiar stupidities. I'm not German, I'm doing stupid computer things.
Meeting a German with good opinions about Ukraine online would just be interesting!
maybe someday
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