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[–] newIdentity@sh.itjust.works 105 points 1 year ago (40 children)

Actually 0.99... is the same as 1. They both represent the same number

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.999...

[–] upsiderue@lemmy.fmhy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (16 children)

If .99....9=1, then 0.999...8=0.999...9, 0.99...7=0.999...8, and so forth to where 0=1?

[–] Tchallenge@social.fossware.space 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

The tricky part is that there is no 0.999...9 because there is no last digit 9. It just keeps going forever.

If you are interested in the proof of why 0.999999999... = 1:

0.9999999... / 10 = 0.09999999... You can divide the number by 10 by adding a 0 to the first decimal place.

0.9999999... - 0.09999999... = 0.9 because the digit 9 in the second, third, fourth, ... decimal places cancel each other out.

Let's pretend there is a finite way to write 0.9999999..., but we do not know what it is yet. Let's call it x. According to the above calculations x - x/10 = 0.9 must be true. That means 0.9x = 0.9. dividing both sides by 0.9, the answer is x = 1.

The reason you can't abuse this to prove 0=1 as you suggested, is because this proof relies on an infinite number of 9 digits cancelling each other out. The number you mentioned is 0.9999...8. That could be a number with lots of lots of decimal places, but there has to be a last digit 8 eventually, so by definition it is not an infinite amount of 9 digits before. A number with infinite digits and then another digit in the end can not exist, because infinity does not end.

[–] upsiderue@lemmy.fmhy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Wonderful explanation. It got the point across.

[–] ripjackie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

That is the best way to describe this problem I've ever heard, this is beautiful

[–] DrMango@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

This is the kind of stuff I love to read about. Very cool

[–] wumpoooo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe a stupid question, but can you even divide a number with infinite decimals?

I know you can find ratios of other infinitely repeating numbers by dividing them by 9,99,999, etc., divide those, and then write it as a decimal.

For example 0.17171717.../3

(17/99)/3 = 17/(99*3) = 17/297

but with 9 that would just be... one? 9/9=1

That in itself sounds like a basis for a proof but idk

[–] quicksand@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yes that's essentially the proof I learned in high school. 9/9=1. I believe there's multiple ways to go about it.

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