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[–] melco@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago (25 children)

I guess Debian had it right all along. Free and Open Source Software is important.

[–] SnailMagnitude@mander.xyz 12 points 1 year ago (24 children)

Debian had a very long and painful public debate to eventually depend exclusively on systemd, from Red Hat. I'm not so sure they choose wisely to heavily depend upon RH/IBM LGLP code.

The new release is the first ever, I think, to offer non-free software by default.

Personal opinion is that Gentoo had it right all along. They spend a lot of time & man hours ensuring pretty much anything coming from Red Hat, that isn't being filtered by Linus, is optional. They created eudev, elogind & made Gnome portable again when Red Hat tried to shut down portability. Neddy shows that you can run a bleeding edge system whilst not depending on much at all from Red Hat over the past 15yrs or so.

[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Debian had a very long and painful public debate to eventually depend exclusively on systemd, from Red Hat.

As far as I know, systemd is only the default.

At any rate, systemd is already in good working order, and it can and will be forked if necessary. More concerning is stuff like the Dogtag PKI system, which probably isn't popular enough to be forked.

I’m not so sure they choose wisely to heavily depend upon RH/IBM LGLP code.

What exactly does “LGLP” mean?

The new release is the first ever, I think, to offer non-free software by default.

Firmware, not software. Wi-Fi firmware, GPU firmware, CPU microcode, that sort of thing. Made unfortunately necessary by modern hardware.

Don't consider it a betrayal of Debian ideals, because it's not.

[–] SnailMagnitude@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Debian only support systemd, if you want systemd free Debian there are forks of the project like Devuan...but then you are no longer running an OS officially supported by the Debian foundation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Lesser_General_Public_License

LGPL, less user freedom, more room to entangle with proprietary crapware.

Firmware is software.

[–] Zucca@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Firmware is software.

Debatable.

Example 1: The microcode hardwired on your CPU (the one before you upload an updated one into it on every boot). Is it software if it's physically on the chip?

Example 2: Let's say you have some PCIe card which has a small FPGA chip on the board to handle say some signaling. Is the FPGA circuity software?

I don't have answers to these. I'm saying the lines are blurred when you look closely what's software, what's firmware and what's hardware.

[–] SnailMagnitude@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fair point...but it seems the Debian stuff being included in their images is all software.

Hey Zucca, I've not been around fgo much since around the time otw vanished but remember you from there and I'm still a happy portage user.

[–] Zucca@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

I sometimes miss OTW too. But at least there's Other Things Open Source -subforum where general hardware talk is also fine. There have been few people now trying to create the very minimal RH -free Gentoo installation. I have hopes those people will eventually publish their works as profiles on their overlays.

OTW died because world politic topics, imo. I hate when it ruins things.

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