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Any fiction suggestions for a somewhat picky reader? The Expanse lasted me a long while but I'm finishing up the novellas now and need to start looking for something new. Not necessarily in the same genre.

I don't have a lot of books under my belt as an adult, but some of my favorites have been Stoner by John Williams, Shantaram by Gregory David Roberts, East of Eden, Catch 22, Flowers for Algernon, and Harry Potter. Kind of all over the place I guess. πŸ˜…

I've also enjoyed John Williams' other novels, Piranesi, The Things They Carried, House of Leaves, and Ender's Game and the sequel.

Some books I didn't really care for include Hitchhiker's Guide (although I loved the first half), Lolita, Sharp Objects, Turtles All the Way Down, The Stand, The Road, 1984, and Fahrenheit 451.

I'm always overwhelmed trying to find something new, so thanks for any suggestions!

EDIT: Thank you all! It'll be a bit daunting exploring all these new books but not nearly as daunting as if I had no guidance, so I really appreciate it!

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[–] astreus@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it. I, personally, did (as did many, many other people). I thought the second book in particular was fantastic. I enjoy a lot of Chinese SFF, but I do get that it isn't for everyone.

Maybe phrasing an opinion as a fact, and then backing it up with other people's opinions, isn't the best way to dissuade someone from their own opinion

EDIT: had to go back and check my original comment. I do mention that it is a bit of a slog to read. However, the ideas and presentation were worth it for me.

[–] Subverb@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

We're talking about a work of fiction. Opinion is all you're going to get.

I do think that more science fiction should be translated, and I applaud the fact that it's been done. And as I said, I appreciated the parts about the cultural revolution, but the characters and ideas are stiff and lifeless with little motivation.

!Ender's Game covered the basic ideas much better, with the only novelty being the three body system itself. Nevermind that life couldn't evolve there, as evolution requires sustained pressure over time, not constant radical flux.!<

And as for many, many people liking it, you can say that about a lot of things that are objectively bad.

I guess I'll back-peddle to "It wasnt for me."

[–] astreus@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

I get what you're saying, though I can't recommend Ender's Game because your money goes to supporting gay conversion therapy. Plus, once you get into the second book, the similarities with Ender's Game becomes a lot more dubious, and by the third book disappears entirely.

However, "Opinion is all you’re going to get" and "objectively bad" is kinda oxymoronic πŸ˜‰ Are there objectively bad books? God yes, I have read enough hopeful author's in my life to say that basic cause & effect or the notion of "story" as something apart from "series of events" are not always understood. However, I think you're right that this is a case of opinions based on style.

TBP (the trilogy, not just the first book) is a lot more to do with societal responsibility than a single hero (though individual failings are also a theme, though usually in how they impact society/humanity as a whole). It focuses on our place in the universe from a cultural point of view starkly different to the rugged individualism of the West (most Chinese SFF doesn't have a single protagonist), and TBP requires an enjoyment of playing with theoretical physics and geopolitics that is rather different from how they are used in contemporary Western sci-fi. So I 100% get it.

It definitely isn't for everyone, and Chinese fiction in particular can cause a lot of headaches because of this difference in how the world is perceived between Western and Eastern cultures (Legend of the Condor Heroes - another Chinese series I love - is a great example of this), so it really isn't your "fault" (I hesitate to use that word) for it not being your cup of tea!

[–] GayCosmicHorror@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Just a personal suggestion, in the future you could suggest piracy of books that support things like that. I personally pirate anything that i refuse to support with money. I thought the first book was interesting years ago, i definitely wouldn't find it as interesting now. Didn't know the whole gay conversion thing, but yeah, piracy is helpful in this area. hopefully im not going against the sub's rules by suggesting it (too lazy to look or care cuz i just delete my account eventually anyway everytime i make one here), but honestly, in this particular instance, piracy feels entirely warranted if one doesn't want to support something. And that goes for other things beyond books to in my personal opinion. But im also not really against piracy in general either. But i definitely think that piracy of things that you don't want to support just makes sense. It's refusing to vote with your wallet in some sense, perhaps.

[–] astreus@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

My wife is an author and I was trying to explain this to her the other day. Pirated copies aren't "lost customers" but were statistically unlikely to ever be customers in the first place.

[–] GayCosmicHorror@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

If i had known J.K. rowling was a terf and i had known what a terf was when i was younger i would have never bought any of her books. And i wish i could get a refund for every book, and in fact, every person who wants a refund should be entitled to one in my opinion. And she is non-deserving of all of the money she has ever made. She made a good play hiding her trash personality. Now shes got money and shes a shitty person. and she doesnt have to hide it anymore.

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