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[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 28 points 11 months ago (42 children)

Amoral at worst. Public transportation shouldn't have a fee at use. Tax the rich, invest in transport

[–] Chozo@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago (41 children)

Not asking about the morality, asking whether or not the people making this argument on piracy consider jumping the turnstile to be theft, in the most practical sense. Not in an ideal world, but in the real world, would you consider that theft?

A turnstile jumper is also exploiting the products and services produced by offers without paying the cost to use them. Nothing is being "removed" in that situation either.

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (25 children)

That is a false equivalency.

The trains cost money to run so you are using resources you haven't paid for.

Pirating takes away a possible purchase. You haven't actually used any of their resources or cost them anything.

If I wasn't going to buy it anyway they haven't lost anything.

If you streamed it from their servers for free using an exploit that would be stealing, as you've actually cost them resources.

[–] Shambles@beehaw.org 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I don’t get this logic at all. Piracy doesn’t take away a possible purchase. There is an assumption that the media downloaded was ever going to be paid for. In 100% of the cases where I downloaded pirated content, I was never going to pay for the product, even if it was available to me by other means. Further I cannot remove a sale from someone when I never possessed the money to pay for it anyway.

I believe most people that pirate cannot afford to buy digital releases or pay for streaming services etc… (not all cases of course). In these situations nobody loses. The media companies didn’t lose anything because I was never going to buy it, and it wasn’t stolen because they still possess the media.

Edit - I agree with you Lmaydev I replied to the wrong comment.

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