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Vegans oppose animal cruelty.
Vegetarians don't, as the production of eggs, milk, etc is cruel.
I assume that, given the choice, you'd still prefer people to be vegetarian than carnivorous though.
Sure, but that's like saying "I don't shoot dogs, I just kick them." Like, sure, I guess that's better, but when you say you do it because you "care about dogs," that doesn't make sense.
Not sure why this needs to go off piste. It's like saying I don't shoot and eat [animal] for sustenance, I milk [animal] for sustenance. It's up to individuals to decide if that is conscionable or not, maybe impacted by whether you think they're inconsistent and maybe not.
I think this is where the disconnect is. It's not just milking an animal. It's getting her pregnant, taking her child away from her shortly after birth and killing it. It's keeping her trapped in a tiny pen for her whole life, barely able to move. Then, when she can no longer produce milk, kill her, 6 years into her 20-year lifespan.
Dairy is cruel. Arguably more cruel than meat.
Exactly this. I'd kinda rather people ate meat and not dairy than the opposite, the dairy industry is fucked up.