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Emails Reveal How a Hospital Bowed to Political Pressure to Stop Treating Trans Teens
(www.propublica.org)
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The "they will die if they don't get gender affirming care" narrative is so harmful. Women who should qualify for gender affirming care (eg, hair removal from PCOS-induced hirsutism) aren't considered the same way. Do their feelings matter less? Are they really commiting suicide in large numbers because they do not have this treatment (perhaps it's unaffordable because health insurance doesn't cover it)?
Do you know a lot of girls with PCOS who are being bullied to the point of violence? Because that's exactly what happened to the trans girl I grew up with 30 years ago. Long before she ever said she was a girl or presented as a girl in public. When she just "looked like" an effeminate little boy, another child wrapped her scarf around her neck and around a piece of playground equipment and started pulling her off the ground by her throat.
You know why? Because she was wearing a glittery purple scarf. And you know what the school administration did about it? Not one fucking thing. Her mother and my mother had to go on a crusade to even get the incident acknowledged.
Yeah, I wonder why trans kids have such high suicide rates. It's not magic, you ignorant FART. You're part of the problem driving these kids to experience high suicide rates.
(Feminism Appropriating Radical Transphobe, for anyone who isn't familiar with this much more appropriate acronym for a TERF.)
bro that's fucking horrible and nobody should have to go through that but making people go through irreversible chemical, hormonal, and physical "treatments" instead of even trying to help their mental anguish is even worse. That's literally saying that cutting body parts off and gaslighting yourself into being okay with it is a reasonable fix toward feeling uncomfortable in your body, they should have the root issue addressed rather than having the entire medical field shit on them by making them think mutilating themselves is the right and empowering choice. they've fooled everyone including you, and it's all for money, because these "treatments" rake in ridiculous amounts of money and would bring in more money than just fixing their real issues so they can live a happy life phisically and chemically intact.
No they don't.
Most HRT is less than $50 a month. And trans people make up 1% of the population. Surgery is expensive, but even fewer trans people get those, they tend to be one-offs, and are only performed by a few specialists.
In comparison, therapy costs $100 a week.
You think medical and research organisations in countries all around the world are all risking their reputations to obscure the truth on a highly scrutinised treatment, in order to... Make less money than if they suggested therapy? To take less than fifty bucks a month from one percent of the population?
just because it's less expensive doesn't mean it's right either, just hacking off your body parts to feel "right" in your own body is even cheaper but that doesn't make it tight, because you shouldn't have to feel that way in the first place.
The fact that you describe “hacking body parts” off is already an indicator that you have no idea what you are talking about. Many, many trans people never even have surgery and surgeries are not really just chopping bits off. My mastectomy was an outpatient procedure where they sucked some fat out through a tube - essentially what they would do if I was cis and had gynecomastia. Plenty of cisgender men have low testosterone and take the same injections I do.
except low test men aren't doing it in an attempt to fix a core discomfort with their own identity, you deserve real help instead of bandage fixes.
I have zero discomfort with my own identity. I am a man whose body doesn’t produce enough testosterone. Conversion therapy is not “real help” and is not effective.
I made no mention of conversion therapy, but I am happy you are content with yourself now.
You continue to suggest that trans people get “real help” which you do not believe is gender affirming care. What method are you suggesting, if not conversion therapy?
No no, don't move the goalposts.
You made a claim of conspiracy, that people are being lead to transition because the treatments "rake in ridiculous amounts of money and would bring in more money than just fixing their real issues".
That claim is complete nonsense, and you pulled it out of your arse.
Acknowledge that.
okay, I acknowledge that maybe it's not prohibitively expensive for the end user. You don't think the development of new products to sell you also makes money for other companies in the chain? They have to develop the product, ways to harvest or synthesize the chemicals in it, deliver it, test it, and refine and iterate upon it.
Now that I've acknowledged that, are you going to acknowledge the moral implications of encouraging people to physically and chemically deform themselves to feel comfortable in their own bodies, whether they're okay with it or not?
I still stand by my point that it's like putting a band-aid and topical anesthetic on a 3rd degree burn and saying it's okay because the victim doesn't have pain anymore.
No.
Acknowledge that you were parroting a ridiculous conspiracy theory.
There is not enough money in this to justify what you are suggesting.
What new products?!
It's testosterone and estrogens, that's it.
Every drug and procedure trans people take was developed for cisgender people first.
There are basically zero new, trans-specific products.
I cannot say this strongly enough: what you are saying is a ridiculous conspiracy theory that has zero basis in reality.
so you're going to ignore the clear moral implications of forcing your body to be something it wasn't designed to be and instead hyperfixate on me mentioning the cost of the treatment. You can't call it a conspiracy theory that the medical industry isn't earning money from it. Any marketable product is a source of income and clearly hormones are in high demand, and as mentioned by another user, something that is purchased regularly throughout the life of the person. Also, you don't know anything about what areas of hormone production are or aren't profitable. I can assure you that somewhere down the supply chain, there is a company profiting from it, otherwise it wouldn't be available in the first place.