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[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I've seen vegans disagree on the matter of indigenous diets. I'm not sure what most agree on, but I can say vegans are way more focused on ending animal-eating in the context of industrialized society.

Not a vegan but we crossed that bridge the moment agriculture was invented. As for animals incapable of moral actions... I have yet to see a vegan seriously propose the end of natural predation. You're fighting ghosts or I'm misunderstanding.

You can check the r/vegan threads from when that was making the rounds. Plants don't feel pain. Even if they did, you'd cause more beings pain eating meat cause animals eat plants.

[–] Doubledee@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I have yet to see a vegan seriously propose the end of natural predation

This is what they were saying, humans eating animals is natural predation, or at least could be in a deindustrial setting, like wolves eating deer or whatever. Vegans, they were suggesting, believe in a very Eurocentric/Christian way that humans aren't animals when our engagement with them as predators is as natural as predators eating us. As long as you minimize the industrialized suffering, that is, they were envisioning small holder communal farming and hunting as their counterexample.

[–] m532@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

We won't "return to nature" that would be fascist. Humans will not eat "natural" food. Humans eat industrial food. Thinking "but what if they wouldn't" is fictional.

[–] TheStruggle@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

returning to some aspect of nature isn't inherently fascist, actually its something quite a lot of indigenous people do in order to reconnect to their culture.

Or are the natives too much of a carnist reactionary group to be allowed to continue such things.

Humans eat industrial yes but that is not blanket true for the whole world, this is Orientalism.

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