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I’m trying to be very careful in how I say this, and I’m not trying to be a debate bro.
I find it triggering to say ALL violence is self-defense. There is no defense for sexual violence.
I can understand killing oppressors and even kidnapping families to gain leverage, but there is no situation that calls for rape and no excuse for it.
I understand that members of the IDF and US military are guilty of this too, and they deserve death.
I understand that you didn’t want to have a bunch of caveats in a blanket statement. I also know this is nothing unique to this conflict and happens in every war, I just think that’s the one area where our support can be critical.
Is there any evidence that Hamas have been committing sexual violence? I've been reading about this all day but haven't seen literally anything.
If they've done that, sure, fuck them, but all ive seen is racist libs trying to attribute it to them based on videos they refuse to share.
I admit I haven’t watched any of the videos so I am going off of how people have described them.
My husband has been watching the videos, he said they were parading around a German tourist’s naked dead body.
And I’ve read in multiple places of a woman being thrown in a jeep with blood in the back of her pants.
I’m have been taking these at face value, but thank you for the reminder that we live in a new age of disinformation. I hope that the videos are fake.
EDIT: This Daily Mail article has screenshots of the two videos I referenced although the most graphic one is blurred. Not a reliable source, but evidence that these videos do exist and more legit news organizations are still doing more due diligence to verify their authenticity.
I think it is unlikely that a video was faked that happens to have the distinctive tattoos and hairstyle of a woman who was known to be in Israel at the time.
oh come on, the ravenous brown horde coming for your women isn't exactly from a new age of disinformation
You're right that the content hasn't changed much except for which groups are included as the "outgroup." The "new age" is less about what the content is and more about how it's being spread. The methods by which unsavory ideas are shared can reach further because of the internet and are more nuanced and targeted towards people who are susceptible to the way these ideas are communicated. Targeting socially, politically, or economically disenfranchised people with sympathetic rhetoric and then gradually introducing brown, gay, lefty hordes as the root cause boogieman has proven effective as more people are swept up into right wing ideology.
I don’t mean the content of disinformation is new, but the technology.
There is proof that these videos exist, but I don’t know if there’s proof that they’re legitimate.
I find it unlikely that a video was faked with a naked woman’s body showing distinct tattoos and hair of a woman known to be in Israel at the time. But in general, I am not qualified to determine the legitimacy of videos and photos, and I will be more cautious in just repeating what other people have said.