Naw, I figured it out; they absolutely don't care if AI doesn't work.
They really don't. They're pot-committed; these dudes aren't tech pioneers, they're money muppets playing the bubble game. They are invested in increasing the valuation of their investments and cashing out, it's literally a massive scam. Reading a bunch of stuff by Amy Castor and David Gerard finally got me there in terms of understanding it's not real and they don't care. From there it was pretty easy to apply a historical analysis of the last 10 bubbles, who profited, at which point in the cycle, and where the real money was made.
The plan is more or less to foist AI on establishment actors who don't know their ass from their elbow, causing investment valuations to soar, and then cash the fuck out before anyone really realizes it's total gibberish and unlikely to get better at the rate and speed they were promised.
Particularly in the media, it's all about adoption and cashing out, not actually replacing media. Nobody making decisions and investments here, particularly wants an informed populace, after all.
the linked mastodon thread also has a very interesting post from an AI skeptic who used to work at Microsoft and seems to have gotten laid off for their skepticism
I’ve got this absolutely massive draft document where I’ve tried to articulate what this person explains in a few sentences. The gradual removal of immediate purpose from products has become deliberate. This combination of conceptual solutions to conceptual problems gives the business a free pass from any kind of distinct accountability. It is a product that has potential to have potential. AI seems to achieve this better than anything ever before. Crypto is good at it but it stumbles at the cash-out point so it has to keep cycling through suckers. AI can just keep chugging along on being “powerful” for everything and nothing in particular, and keep becoming more powerful, without any clear benchmark of progress.
Edit: just uploaded this clip of Ralph Nader in 1971 talking about the frustration of being told of benefits that you can’t really grasp https://youtu.be/CimXZJLW_KI
@fasterandworse@awful.systems @self @trisweb I didn’t know masto picked up lemmy posts like this
@fasterandworse@hci.social @fasterandworse@awful.systems @self Yep, it's all the same protocol. It's pretty weird though; no indication of what platform the post really came from or how it was intended to be viewed. I could see that being useful first-class information for the reader on whatever platform they're reading from.
Trying to remember how I even got this post. Did you boost it from your masto account?
@trisweb @fasterandworse@awful.systems @self yeah I figured the activitypub protocol used some kind of content type definition to control where stuff was appropriately published… I never got around to actually reading the docs.
I have no idea how it came to your feed. I found it because you boosted it!
as an open source federated protocol, ActivityPub and all the apps built on top of it are required to have a layer of jank hiding just under the surface
ActivityPub is a protocol for software to fail to talk to each other
@self has tapped Lemmy with carefully aimed hammers in a few places so that we federate both ways with Mastodon, which has been pretty cool actually
Does it work with authfetch now? I've seen a merged pull request https://github.com/LemmyNet/activitypub-federation-rust/pull/39 but it's WIP and it doesn't look like I can see anything on an instance that I know has authfetch enabled.
seems to be on circumstances.run, which i'm on. that's treehouse/glitch with authfetch
Hmm,
(I assumed jorts might not have authfetch enabled)
this reminds me, since nobody has actually documented if lemmy supports authfetch or not, I should dig into the code and find out for myself
I think it at the very least didn't, which broke federation with all GoToSocial instances, which has authfetch hardcoded. I think the "secure federation" from the PR I mentioned before is authfetch (?), but it's unfinished if I understand correctly. And anyway it's the library code, no idea if there are plans to use it in Lemmy itself any time soon.
sorry yes, i'm not using awful from there but from a local login :-)
i meant that i can read posts from here on there, e.g. https://circumstances.run/@self@awful.systems/111082328987803716
EDIT: maybe I'm wrong, my test comment over there hasn't shown up back here yet
@dgerard @self Oh interesting, so is this Lemmy instance special in this regard?
so not very? If your Mastodon has authfetch enabled then it doesn't work properly. If it does then it does. I'm on circumstances.run which has authfetch on - it receives comments from awful.systems but doesn't seem to pass them back.