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[-] Uriel238@lemmy.fmhy.ml 35 points 1 year ago

The point of the prisoner's dilemma is how we are prone to cooperate with others even when it's to our advantage to betray the other guy (even when it's a stranger, or someone we don't like too much.)

Partially, because fuck cops. Whether we're arrested by law enforcement or Nazis (or are wolves fighting off a bear), we hate the bastards more than we distrust our fellow heister.

But as I hinted above, our instinct to stay loyal has evolved since long before we walked upright. Think of the prisoner's dilemma as a recurring thing (because it is, even if the exact specific circumstances are not repeated) the tribe stays more coherent, and more survive if we don't leave our fellow dwarves behind (Rock and Stone!). If we left our buddies to die rather than risk ourselves to rescue them, we'd run out of buddies.

So we never take the deal. Besides which, in the US, you can't trust law enforcement anyway. They are legally allowed to lie to you to secure a confession, even a false one. And they will. Shut up and ask for your lawyer.

[-] smokeythebear@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 year ago

You get at the heart of what makes the prisoners dilemma interesting.

When you play the game once, betrayal makes sense. Yes, cooperation might be better but the juice isn't worth the squeeze. No consequences, tragedy of the commons, etc

If you play on repeat, you need a strategy. It generally comes down to: Do you penalize someone for betraying you?

Like you said, if the game is repeatedly for infinity, then cooperation makes the most sense. Betrayals are punished at a cost higher than the betrayers reward. Altruism prevails.

if the game is played on repeat until a known endpoint, then it gets complicated. It makes sense to betray the last game: you can't be punished for betraying on that last game. And even if you don't want to betray, strategically the other player also knows the betrayer has an edge in this case if they don't also betray. So the last game should be a double betrayal.

And with that leap, it also makes sense to betray in the second to last game, since there's only a gain if you betray without being betrayed, and the last game's outcome is already double betrayal. Now the logic is betray the last two games. And so on, etc, and the whole thing unzips.

Now cooperation is irrational and selfishness prevails.

Thus, altruism works when the elders plant trees to make shade they won't feel. But if one side thinks the game will end, or fears the other does, then the whole thing falls apart.

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