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For me it is the fact that our blood contains iron. I earlier used to believe the word stood for some 'organic element' since I couldn't accept we had metal flowing through our supposed carbon-based bodies, till I realized that is where the taste and smell of blood comes from.

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[โ€“] SoylentBlake@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (23 children)

Yo OP. We're carbon based, which you accept. Diamond is stronger than almost all metal, and it's pure carbon. Why wouldn't we have metal in our veins? We atomically won that round before inflation was even over.

I'm just playin, carbon under high enough pressure is metal too.

Twice over, my favorite fact is that humanity has only existed during the time frames that the moon and the sun have been the same size in our sky, this allowing total eclipse - which is so obviously ridiculously rare I don't see the point in quantifying with maths.

I think it's bizarre to think we have free will. Everywhere around us, in all our tech, tools, toys we see the realities of determinism. Cause and effect. To think that our minds are somehow not governed by this in a universe that unequivocally is is beyond Babel levels of arrogance.

Beyond that, the idea that's gaining ground about shared consciousness I find really intriguing. Rather fascinating stuff.

Consciousness is the biggest mystery of the all, after all.

[โ€“] exi@feddit.de 22 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I'm mostly with you except for the determinism. Not only do we KNOW that the universe is fundamentally probabilistic and not deterministic, all our technology works extremely hard to combat random errors because small electronics are absolutely not deterministic, they are just engineered to have a low enough randomness so we can counteract it.

[โ€“] blackbrook@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Allowing for quantum randomness does not help the free will argument. Randomness might be "free", but it is certainly not but "will".

[โ€“] exi@feddit.de -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But it does. If the universe was deterministic, choice would be impossible because all outcomes would be predetermined.

Quantum randomness may not directly provide free will but it does exclude determinism, which would make free will impossible.

[โ€“] blackbrook@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This "choice" is just the manifestation what you are at that moment, the sum of everything that has influenced you up until this point. Whether that complex tangle of cause and effect was "determined" a million years ago or affected by random fluctuations the whole way, including a moment ago, doesn't change anything. "Free will" just doesn't make any sense, regardless of whether one considers predeterminism to be the alternative.

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