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How to Brigade: a step-by-step guide for Scheming Hexbear Tankies and Miscellaneous Ne’er-do-wells
(hexbear.net)
- Click on the big button in the header next to ‘Local’ that says ‘All’.
- Click the drop-down field directly next to ‘All’.
- Click ‘Active’ from the drop-down list.
- Click on a thread loaded on the page.
- Reply to users in that thread.
Congrats! You have successfully done a brigading! Pat yourself on the back! Next seminar, we will be covering how to subtly deceive strategically-important redditors with a simple tactic they don’t know of called ‘whataboutism’ 
Edit: meant to post this in the secret group chat where we coordinate the fall of the west. Sorry y’all. My bad 
When a lemmy thread is put in the dunktank and people go to the thread from the post in the dunktank even if it isn't linked it still is brigading, it's brigading when the tankiejerk places do it to lemmygrad too, it's funneling people into a thread that they only saw because it was posted in the dunktank. If that isn't brigading then nothing is brigading.
It's disengenious to try to spin it as people only finding stuff in the all tab, because people do jump into the threads they see in the dunktank and that definitely hasn't contributed to making any goodwill for this site among other instances, if the person deserves to be dunked on people will find it they dont need a giant bat signal post in the dunktank to figure it out.
I do think most of the people put in there deserve it on some level, but you guys are speedrunning every other user to instance ban hexbear whenever that comes out.
Fundamentally disagree. Brigading, as originally conceived by reddit, is an organized raid of one forum by another. Posting a screenshot to the_dunk_tank with a link is not organization. There is no call to action, it's just naming and shaming. If the user featured in the screenshot said something reprehensible, then they shouldn't be surprised if it spurs others to relentlessly mock and bully them. But when that happens, it's absolutely not a unified effort, nor is it targeting the forum as a whole.
That's just a consequence of saying reactionary shit in a public setting in full view of people who tend to be hurt by reactionary rhetoric. This isn't violence, there are no real threats being made. Everyone is totally free to continue to say whatever they want in accordance with the rules of their home instance. But if you voice your opinion in public, it's rather hypocritical to get pissed about others voicing their own opinions back.
The dunk tank has a rule saying you have to link the thread. I think that makes any post that follows the rule brigading. However, that's not a bad thing, for the reasons you outlined. Organised protest is essential to a functioning society.
I think most people not on this instance will see no difference between this and thedunktank, if there was a tankiejerk community just as big as the dunktank and operating in the same way with no explicit call to brigade and they mass showed up to hexbear posts featured on it, would you feel the same way, I don't buy it, you would probably just defed from them
The dunk tank is just a socialists-only politics-only version of /r/subredditdrama or /r/againsthatesubreddits. Why is one brigading but the other is not? It's only brigading when socialists do it but it's not brigading when liberals do it?
the subreddits are not on lemmy that's the difference, I thought I made that clear, the subreddits mentioned are for sure brigading too
Lame. I disagree.
They exist to rightfully discuss stuff that is happening on the site. Meta communities are good and useful. They provide useful checks against certain behaviours by providing opposition to them and they provide a useful tool to educate your existing userbase who might not know "this is a shit behaviour don't do it".
Linking to things is fine and good. Sharing things is fine and good, in fact it should be encouraged. Nobody says that random twitter user is brigading by linking to a reddit thread when they're saying something positive, they want the shares, they only say it when it's something negative. The purpose of anti-brigading is literally just the suppression of disagreement. The goal is the creation of echo chambers.
And also the vast majority of dunk tank content is transphobic or racist and I couldn't give a shit what those people think, they should all be run over with a steamroller.
well put
You either let people share links to your space, or you do not.
Selectively banning people from linking to your space if they feel negatively about something and only allowing people to link to that space if they feel positively about it is genuinely the fostering and creation of echo chambers. It's intended to suppress disagreement and I have no other way to explain it than that.
Witchhunting is a different matter, such as the boston bomber fiasco, where hundreds of thousands of people regularly got the "suspect" completely incorrect and harassed real and innocent people multiple times. Hunting and internet-detective shit is not the same as sharing content for the purposes of critique.
I understand I'm just saying the same thing in more words here but I think there's probably a better way to put this that can be found to eventually put the issue of "brigading" to bed altogether.
It's the liberal word for "cancel culture". Just like the word tankie is used to attack their left while the conservatives use "woke" to attack to their left. Liberals use the same tactics. Cancelling is used by the conservatives to attack left while liberals use brigading to attack people to their left.
yes but we're right.
Also we tend to ban dipshits once we've had our fun. They're welcome to do the same, but the fact we keep our petty bullshit to ourselves and instead engage in earnest in the OPs, I think goes some way to dispelling the brigadier narrative
I think your point is fair.
But, I think a bigger step would be adding something to thedunktank rules discouragining "brigading", not linking specifically lemmy posts directly, and hiding the usernames of the people involved in the screenshots.
it's a non issue tbh. Get better takes (which are well and truly offered) or get a post in the hall of shame
It is a non issue, but I think if it could have been done over again it would have been better to take the Titoist approach rather than going so agro on everyone, I guess people will just make alts so they can actually use the fediverse, but it kind of defeats the point of it to just defed or get deffedded from everyone, obviously a few exploding heads, burggit, etc. are unacceptable hate speech, CSAM, etc. but it's very silly that a blahaj user now can't interact with a hexbear user and most of the bigger ones besides lemm.ee and lemmy.ml can't either, just dissapointing that it went down like it did. Even on reddit sure you could block CTH but it wasn't auto blocked to all new users.
blahaj was defederated because they refused to accept a bunch of queer commies, going so far as to say those groupings are mutually exclusive. blahaj is also largely a vaushite/196 instance which sucks.
That one actually hurt to see tbh. Thankfully, we've had a few folks jump over due to the contradictions there. Here's hoping the rest find their way
Ngl it sucks that we ended up splitting but in the long term maybe it was for the better ig
"Taking the Titoist approach," famous for working out in the long term
Ended about the same way and time the USSR did if I recall lol
Hey, aside from Ukraine now, the constituent members of the USSR still exist and largely have gone without race wars. The same cannot be said of what used to be Yugoslavia. They both got fucked by neoliberalism, but the USSR could survive the death of Stalin. Yugoslavia did not survive the death of Tito.
Organised protest is essential to a functioning society, and brigading is what organised protest is called on the internet
We would defed from them for saying reactionary shit. It's the content of their posts that would be a deal breaker, not just the existence of their comments in our threads. We wouldn't weasel our way out of this by citing bullshit internet rules of civility, we would outright admit that the separation is ideologically motivated.
Unironically please do show up en masse to a Hexbear post and try to brigade us. We absolutely love it when the libs come directly to us to get dogpiled on. A whole bunch of them all at once would be a feast
Lol no, the mods would just ban them from the local like they did with the Kerry posters during the beginning of the forum's existence, depending on the level of spam. They've done this song and dance before. This isn't that difficult to do unless you are allergic to any sensible level of moderation. If you don't like what the hexbear people are saying, or how they are saying it, ban them. It doesn't matter, you'll find some excuse or another anyways.
See, unlike your or other forums, this forum doesn't pretend to be 'neutral ground', which means we actually have a robust and old-school moderator culture. There is very little of that new shit of 'laissez-faire forum culture' which was mostly an excuse to keep the pedophile and Nazi forums around, as this forum isn't focused on growth.
This is besides the fact that we just have more terminally online people in our instance. Which isn't a brag, but good luck out-posting us. It'll be an uphill battle for sure even if the moderation wasn't robust here.