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To build a fully climate-neutral transport system in the Netherlands, many citizens will have to give up their cars, Jan Willem Eirsman, the government’s new chief climate adviser as chairman of the Scientific Climate Council, told the AD.

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[–] coyootje@lemmy.world 73 points 1 year ago (20 children)

If only our public transport was affordable. We pay way more than other European countries (besides maybe Germany and the Scandinavian countries), especially when you consider how little distance you're really travelling. As an example, to get from Eindhoven central station to Amsterdam central station you take 1 train, it takes you 1 hour and 20 minutes and you pay €22,70 for a one way ticket. If we're looking at distance, this is about 120 km. This means that to get there and go back home you pay €45,40.

If you travel by yourself you can argue that it's worth it to take the train there since parking + fuel isn't that cheap here either. However, as soon as you have more than 1 person the car quickly becomes the cheaper option, even with parking included. As long as they don't solve this issue I don't see any success in their push to get people to use public transport. And I know the solution will probably be to make everything even more expensive but that's not going to help in the long run either...

[–] noyou@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

A lot of people only tend to look at the fuel costs and maybe parking. However you're forgetting a big part of the costs of driving which is that every km adds to the depreciation in the cars worth as well as requiring more maintenance.

It's very easy to say just buying fuel is pretty cheap, but those costs are easily doubled if you look at the full costs. Check out https://www.anwb.nl/auto/autokosten for examples of how much variable costs/km actually are.

That said, this is for solo travelers... It's true that when you add more people the costs become much lower / person if you go by car since the costs just get multiplied with public transport. Exactly why my next vacation with 4 people will still be by car...

However I've started taking the train for work now which still comes out a lot lower (40% discount outside of rush hours helps a lot too!)

[–] coyootje@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for the link, I never had a look at that before. If I look at my car, the variable costs per km (without the fuel) are €0,15 per km. The fixed costs are only interesting if you don't have a car and are looking at getting one, I have to pay those costs regardless of whether I leave it at home or not. That means that taking the car in my example above would add another €18 which does change things a little bit.

However, my main point was that people would flock to public transport if they were using the prices you sometimes see in other countries. For example, in Italy it costs me around €10 to get a return ticket from Florence to Pisa. The trains are slightly less fancy of course but they're still very serviceable. If they could make it so you pay maybe €30 for a return ticket from Eindhoven to Amsterdam, it would make it a lot more enticing to take the train.

[–] noyou@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

No yeah agreed I wish they'd make it cheaper too.

[–] sndrtj@feddit.nl 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depreciation and tax and insurance is mostly a sunk cost. Once you have a car, these are mostly irrelevant when comparing to public transport.

[–] noyou@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If I were to drive my car to work I would double the amount I drive per year. If you don't think this adds a lot of costs then I don't know what to tell you. If you drive somewhere incidentally sure, it doesn't really matter.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can save on insurance if you're not commuting for work, too. I'm classified as a leisure driver since my work is remote.

[–] noyou@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I actually do work remote but come in once a week... Which happens to be a long commute 🤷‍♂️

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