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The only threat to this burgeoning community is the same old divide & collapse nonsense that separates citizens under their overlords everywhere.

I would create accounts and start calling to defederate instances which allow non-polite (or politically incorrect or otherwise offensive) communities.

We didn't just survive the trolls on reddit. We thrived amongst them. We can handle them. We can block them.

I want curatorial tools to curate my own feed. I absolutely 100% do NOT want any admins telling me what I can't read. And going to another instance is no solution if that instance is blocked.

I don't want to be on a purely polite ecosystem, or a purely right-wing-idiot ecosystem. I want access to everybody, and the tools to curate that experience.

The trolls do NOT have the power to take us down. But the admins definitely do.

Welcome to the Defediverse.

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[โ€“] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (21 children)

So you're pretending that users who call for defederating an alt-right instance are basically trolls that created their account just for that and to divide users? When it's well known that it's alt-right communities that are filled with bots and foreign troll farms?

Ok.

At the same time "people" against it keep recreating new discussions about being against defederation... Seems pretty sus to me ๐Ÿค” You're sure you're barking at the right tree? I'm starting to suspect that you guys are just a bunch of EH (or whatever) users coming here to cause trouble... It would fit with the fact that a whole bunch of anti-defederation users were also hanging around or moderating on the local T_D community until it was banned.

You know you can create your own instance and you can be its sole user so you get to chose what you do with it? The admin here decided to give users democratic control over the instance and contrary to a Nation, it's very very easy to move to another instance if your disagree with the will of the majority so much that you don't feel welcome anymore.

[โ€“] 227@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I think I get where they're coming from, it's like how sometimes how I'll pop on over to /r/conservative every now and then to read through some of the posts, although the majority is "the schools are turning our kids trans"

I like to see things from other people's perspective, despite how Internet opposed to it I may be. When I hear a new story for example, there's typically two versions of it. One from a voice that seems reasonable and well tempered and one that's rash and unhinged.

Often I'll find that the truth sometimes lies somewhere in between, not saying it's right in the middle, but having a fuller perspective helps me come to own conclusions.

With that said, I don't think this way of consuming media works for all people or even most people. I'm a pretty objective person, maybe even to a fault. I'm not offended easily, which makes viewing communities that many would find delusional and offensive not an unpleasant experience for me.

[โ€“] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Again, people who don't agree with the way an instance is managed can just take their luggage and leave for an instance they prefer or they can create their own instance. That's decentralization baby!

Feels like the crypto crowd, people complaining about management because they don't understand what decentralization means.

Not happy? Create your own project and manage it however you like. Be the change you want to see, that's the power you're given here and that you don't have in the real world!

[โ€“] Ergonomic_Keyboard@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But now you are asking for the equivalent of every reddit user to make their own subreddit, host it and curate a feed to it, so they can browse it.

I mean sure, but it'd be like saying, you don't like the options for food, so grow your own, the seeds are there. You may want some junk food, but you may also want some organic vegitable produce or something inbetween. Supermarkets are double edges sowrds with everything inbetween, but to open your own/grow your own/source your own from the bulk suppliers, although possible, is astronomically more man hours of curation time.

But with all that said, the initial and I think leading point of the post was not the indivdual filtering, but rather, that they think a divide and conquer approach would be most effective against a Fediverse. Where one would want to prevent the expansion and adoption of a fediverse as a threat of info hoarding.

I'd be inclined to agree that as pack animals a NT person is going to want to group up in the largest instance. So, the larger the instance, the more likely they are going to want to join it. And should it get huge amounts of people, they'd get fomo.
If there are as many instances as there are subreddit equivalents, for want of the accurate name, people just wont bother that much, no?

[โ€“] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
  1. The point of decentralization is exactly that though! People don't need to be all under the same roof for things to work, this way no central authority can control what's happening.

  2. Your food example doesn't work because in this case creating your own instance doesn't prevent you from interacting with the other instances unless you're acting in a way that makes them defederate from yours, so you can eat whatever you want as long as you don't take a shit in your neighbors plate.

  3. Same as #1, the point of decentralization is to divide things to prevent control.

  4. You don't understand how the fediverse works if you experience fomo for an instance because it's bigger. It doesn't matter what instance you sign up to as long as it's federated with the other ones you want to interact with and that won't be an issue unless you join an instance populated by morons and if you do you probably deserve to not have access to the whole fediverse because it shows you're not intelligent or mature enough not to associate with morons. And worst case just create a new account on another instance if you're not happy that the one you signed up to is defederated!

As I said, I feel like I'm arguing with the crypto crowd about decentralization all over again.

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