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I've seen too much of this. No, the nazis and the Soviets were not equivalent.

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[-] CommieAVGN@hexbear.net 99 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ah, the "double genocide" theorists. What a delightful bunch of historical revisionists. It's like they took a drunken joyride through the annals of history and crashed straight into the "Bad Takes" tree. Comparing the Soviet Union to the Nazis? Might as well compare a stubbed toe to a decapitation.

And you can bet your ass that most of these armchair historians haven’t even read a book on the topic. It's all surface-level, cherry-picked facts with more holes than a block of Swiss cheese. It's historical interpretation with the depth of a kiddie pool. Dive in, and you're gonna crack your head open.

Honestly, it’s a disservice to the real complexities of history. But nuance, for these folks, seems to be a concept as elusive as a unicorn riding a Bigfoot. The actual victims, the real-life people affected by these events, deserve better than to be pawns in someone’s misguided, edgy take on history.

So, to those pushing the "double genocide" theory: Maybe spend less time trying to stir the pot with wild equivalences and more time, I dunno, actually understanding the depth and breadth of historical events. And for the love of God, please get some new reading glasses, because your perspective is blurrier than a foggy window smeared with bullshit.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just so long as the depth and breadth doesn’t obscure the basic facts:

  • The Nazi government consciously decided to exterminate about 12 million people, in an attempt at ~~ethnic cleansing~~ genocide based on race
  • The Soviet Union’s government consciously decided to exterminate about 1.6 million people, in an attempt at political cleansing
  • The Soviet Union also, through gross ineptitude, starved an additional 3.5 - 5.0 million people

Do you agree that these things happened?

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago

ethnic cleansing

Ethnic cleansing is the explosion of an ethnic group from a geographical area. The Nazis did not attempt to ethnically cleanse Europe of Jewish, Romani, Slavic, etc people.

Genocide is the act of destroying an ethnic group via destruction of individuals of that group. The Nazis did attempt to commit genocide against Jewish, Romani, Slavic, etc people.

[-] mustardman@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

They didn't attempt, they just did.

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

Yes, bad phrasing on my part. The Nazis attempted to carry out the complete annihilation of those groups, but only succeeded in partially annihilating those groups.

However, the definition of genocide covers attempted destruction in part of a group. For example, killing all the X people in Y city is still genocide.

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