It wasn't even that long ago that the news was reporting on Russian troops massing on the border for a "training exercise". How the fuck do people forget that Russia was undeniably the aggressor in this conflict?

[–] mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (3 children)

Only Trump did I think.

The war dates before that. Since 2014 Russia had snipers in dombas.

Reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-qO42qjShg

[–] jabeez@lemmy.today 17 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Only Trump did I think.

Unfortunately not, have seen quite a few on here just today regurgitating the idea that the Ukraine goaded Russia into invading, so it's like, Ukraine's fault and they started it. Or something. Fuck I hate people, just absolutely no shame, reality is whatever the hell they want it to be I guess.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 10 points 20 hours ago

Well Ukraine shouldn't dress like that. Showing their grain and warm water port for all to see. Everyone knew they were selling their grain to all sorts of people. They should've seen it coming really /s obviously

[–] bss03@infosec.pub -3 points 22 hours ago

It's complicated. Ukraine didn't directly attack Russian people or infrastructure, but they did take actions that would have reduced Russia power, and Russia did consider that casus belli. From that perspective, Ukraine did start the war.

I don't agree with this interpretation, and I think it is hard to square with "international law", but it is a form of realpolitik that the U.S. has engaged in previously (and likely will in the future), overthrowing or manipulating Central and South American nations, in particular.

It doesn't surprise me AT ALL, that Trump would buy into this interpretation. Even without his known Russian biases due to funding, he really doesn't see the point or ethics or morality. For him it's just about power and heirarchy, so realpolitik is his only possible perspective on how any government or leader should behave.