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is proton still a viable alternative? (lemmy.studio)
submitted 2 days ago by pirat@lemmy.studio to c/degoogle@lemmy.ml
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I know the CEO dug himself a pretty deep hole recently.

I had been meaning to switch all the services I currently use over to proton - but his remarks gave me pause.

Is it still worth considering?

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[–] oceane@jlai.lu 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (21 children)

I'm tired but:

  • you'd need to compare the checksums of their web-based cryptography at every login,
  • you could use their bridge but you'd need to give your OpenPGP passphrase to change your settings, for no reason
  • they have the CIA at their administration council,
  • they have an history of unethical behavior toward Twitter survivors,
  • they have an history of spreading conspiracy theories,
  • they have an history of contacting hosting providers asking them to remove blog posts,
  • they didn't share the Lavabit fundraiser so they could get quietly issued a US National Security Letter (overriding the First Amendment and preventing Ladar from appealing),
  • they can access to your entire mailbox anyway, not just to the email contents,
  • this has enabled the arrest of Social and Climatic Justice activists, they replied they couldn't resist a Swiss court order (so that's not their fault I guess, the tech is just bad)…

Why would you trust them for your opsec, and why would you enable them further?

Alternatives include Disroot, Nubo, and Zaclys.

#Proton #ProtonMail

[–] pirat@lemmy.studio 3 points 2 days ago (4 children)

For being tired this outlined a lot of great points and good alternatives. Nubo has my eye and I'm going to look into starting the process with them.

[–] lemmeBe@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Nubo sounds good. However, I'm closer and closer to buying a mini PC and simply self-gosting Nextcloud. I feel that is the only way to be really sure I own my data and not get disillusioned/disappointed in some way by some of these companies.

[–] pirat@lemmy.studio 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, been strongly considering that recently as well but I have a lot to learn.

I really want to have a custom domain, murena seems to have everything that I'm looking for, if I wanted to have a custom domain still I'd have to self host.

I've heard that self hosting can lead to a bunch of email getting snagged in spam filters. In regards to self-hostijg I'm definitly in the unconscious ignorance (I don't know what I don't know) phase of it.

[–] lemmeBe@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

I have a custom domain added to Tuta. Works fine for the last 2 years. If something goes haywire at any point, ⚓ up and I'm gone.

I'm interested in self hosting a couple of services, Immich, Navidrome, Nextcloud, but email ain't one of them. Personal one I use mostly for registrations and shopping confirmations

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago

I’ve heard that self hosting can lead to a bunch of email getting snagged in spam filters.

Through force of numbers, the big companies have made self.hosting email a pain in the ass. DKIM, DMARC and all that, they say it's to fight spam but it's really just to ensure their monopolies. If it was encryption they'd be clamoring won't someone think of the children.

You can find people un/successfully self-hosting email so invariably YMMV. Just make sure you follow all the steps and guidelines and don't use that address for anything relevant in the first months.
Some people also use a proxy in Outlook or something so the outgoing email has all the legit veneer.

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