this post was submitted on 09 Aug 2023
962 points (98.3% liked)

Memes

45660 readers
1817 users here now

Rules:

  1. Be civil and nice.
  2. Try not to excessively repost, as a rule of thumb, wait at least 2 months to do it if you have to.

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 54 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Legit though, nobody alive today had anything to do with English becoming the trade language. It used to be French, but that went away and English filled in.

Any country where English is the primary language is going to have less people needing a second language for anything other than the general benefits it brings, which aren't truly necessary.

It isn't like everyone, everywhere speaks English on top of their first language, nor does everyone speak multiple languages. They do just fine with the dominant language of their country, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Also, Australians don't speak English. They speak Cunt :)

[–] gears@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Even the English royalty would speak in French in official ceremonies

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yup. It's just the vagaries of time, war, and shifting alliances that put English into the main trade language. The term for that is lingua franca because of the French dominance in that regard.

The only reason English is probably going to stay in that place is inertia. Well, that and the friendliness of English borrowing words so freely. It's easier to just adopt words with complex meanings into English than it is to translate them. But why change the trade language when it would cost more to shift things for no practical benefit.

Honestly, I wouldn't have minded more and better language options in school. But it was the eighties and very early nineties, in a rural town, I was "lucky" to have two choices in high school. But I think if I'd had access younger, the way some countries do English, I would have gotten much better at Spanish than I did. Even my ASL is better than my Spanish, and I have arthritis that makes signing hard.

[–] Badass_panda@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Interestingly, while French was the lingua franca of Europe for several hundred years, it wasn't the origin of the term 'Lingua Franca'.

That term meant the "language of the Franks" and was the Mediterranean trade language in the medieval through Renaissance eras. It was actually a pidgin of Italian, French, Greek and Arabic adopted as being roughly mutually intelligible among Venetians, Byzantines and North Africans.

The reference to the 'Franks' is because the generic word for a western European (in the Byzantine, Greek world) had long been "Frank".

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No kidding? That's what I get for just accepting information without checking it! I heard that from an old family member and have never bothered to question it

Thank you, for the correction and doing in such a friendly way :)

I always thought the same thing! I only found this out relatively recently, and I thought it was pretty cool

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (9 replies)