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[–] BetaBlake@lemmy.world 83 points 2 days ago (26 children)

4chan proving it's incel ground zero, those unfuckable virgins are a bane on society.

Maybe work on yourself and stop hating the world for your own problems.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

My qualm with "working on yourself" advise is that it is too broad and non-specific, which I think makes a person even more confused. There are so many little details that a person may miss in relation to themselves. It requires a lot of introspection. But even then, even if the person does a lot of thinking, the conclusion may be wrong. For example, the guy does work out and believes he will attract girls; but if he doesn't realise he's got bad breath and got turned down for it, it could lead to the wrong conclusion for him that women in general are just mean, or whatever other wrong conclusion that the guy could draw from.

I've seen guys struggle with dating, even good looking ones, but most of the time it is because they struggle to figure out the finer details. However, the problem is that it is hard to broach the topic because it may offend the person. Each individuals are unique and as much as we are all unique in our own good way, it also applies that we are all uniquely flawed. We have to figure out the latter and rectify it without putting ourselves down. But even the process of rectifying one's own self can be challenging, because introspection could lead to unhealthy conclusions and behaviours if not done in healthy manner.

I don't know if it makes sense, but that's just my two cents based from my personal experience and what I observed about others. I think many men are struggling because they don't get specific enough advise. There is no "one size fits all" advise for men in dating and relationships (if there is, unfortunately the broad "one size fits all advise" are easily used for exploitation by those who could influence, as we saw with Andrew Tate and others). But as I mentioned, providing specific advise to individuals is a hard thing to broach.

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

I always took "work on yourself" to mean "go to therapy". That's always a good start.

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