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    [–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 1 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    Never touched rust, so I don't understand the hype. I'm not arguing against it, mind you, but I'm gathering, more and more, that it's worth a look. Maybe I'll look into it after work.

    [–] snekmuffin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    even all of that hype about memory safety and borrow checker you keep hearing aside, the actual coolest thing about Rust is how it does Traits instead of classes and that you can bind arbitrary data to enums

    [–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 1 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Really? That's really cool. So, what's all the hate? Is there any actual merit to it, or is it just an "I'm better than you because I just am" mindset?

    [–] syklemil@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    The serious answer here likely has several components:

    1. Some people and businesses have invested a lot in languages that governments are now trying to deprecate. When someone is told that their assets may be stranding, and please move on to $NEWTHING, they're likely to get … grumpy. Both they and the government may be correct here, even if they're at odds—they have different scopes and concerns.
    2. Differing values. See e.g. Cantrill's "Platform as a reflection of values".
    • Rust highly values correctness, which will feel like a straitjacket to a lot of people.
    • It also moves as much error detection as it can to the compilation stage, which won't sit well with people who want to get something out the door ASAP and then find the bugs as they happen.
    • So it also encourages tackling complexity early rather than kicking the can down the road, which again isn't to everyone's preference.

    This is a very detailed answer, and I greatly appreciate it. So, the subpoints on point 2 are benefits in my eyes. Just another reason to delve deeper into this language. Thanks!

    [–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    More than half the points are just good engineering practice directly embedded in the language.

    It tells a lot about the state of programming in general with the pushback we see with memory safe languages.

    I'm down with Rust and I can't wait for official support for embedded Rust in chip manufacturers, because until then, very few clients will be okay with using unofficial Rust cargos for their products.

    [–] syklemil@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago

    Yeah, that's the correctness focus. Some people dislike it as a straitjacket, some even take it as a personal insult because they see it as a skill issue. They, the good devs, shouldn't be held back like that (spoiler: they aren't as good as they think they are).

    Personally I like that aspect of Rust, but I also write Python with a typechecker and a loong list of enabled lints in ruff. I can get the happy path done without it, but having just the happy path often isn't good enough.

    Enforced correctness helps a lot with confidence for those of us who know we sometimes make bad assumptions or forget some nuance or detail. But it will be absolutely infuriating for people who can't stand being told they made an error, even one of omission.

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