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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 38 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (5 children)

The whole Russian project was to have our "polite society" collapse as we, as Americans, lost all faith in our institutions and turned against one another and in the process, also lost any kind of collective identity, which makes us a weaker target externally. That happened.

It's crazy to me, looking back, how much this was openly discussed along the way, as it successfully happened in slow motion over the last 10-15 years - wasn't there also a book released that just laid their strategy bare? If there are historians in the future, will be amazing to read the perspective on all of this with time and analysis from those not trapped within the cycle of death and hopelessness.

[–] Denidil@lemm.ee 19 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It works because those of us who read and learn about things like this are a minority of the population. Not one large enough to counteract the effect either.

[–] crimsonpoodle@pawb.social 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I think our society in reality is fine mostly; gun sales to conservatives under the Obama administration surged due to their fears at the time; now it happens again just in reverse.

The key problem is that the internet is separating people and allowing foreign actors and cynical domestic interests to create filters of what people hear and see.

you count yourself among a learned few then you should go out and create local events and spread local news as much as possible. People need to interact outside of their bubbles more and they would come to see mostly that they are both reasonable. It is only the facts that are current in question between the two isles, not necessarily the principles.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

Think there's a lot of false premise and privileged POV in your statements here about your perception of reality.

Certainly not "fine mostly" by the major tangible measures that might contribute to a blanket statement like that attempting some basis in evidence. Maybe most counter to your position is the fact that the entire world is sliding right generally, most likely as an immature, frightened reaction to COVID-blamed inflation and opportunistic corporate price gouging. Among that, the lesser informed likely think that there is some "conservative" force that would reign things in - It's the idea that "Daddy will fix it", but in reality daddy never actually did fix anything when you were small, you just felt safe when he was there when you were a child. And Daddy isn't here anymore anyway - the person that would be daddy is headbutting windows at the US Capitol and asking Siri "how do you make pipe-bombs filled with liberal shit"

Also false equivalency with the Obama guns things - in that case, a lot of racist, conservative dickheads stockpiled weapons/ammo as a gut reaction and frankly a hope for a "race war", marinating in their always assumed victimhood, simply because a HALF black person was president. Versus now, where severely, actively threatened minority communities feel that they will potentially be forced into camps because of credible threats by the presumptive president elect gop do just that. So yes, now a few, exaggerated by media, are getting gun training and basic weapons out of fear of the collapsing world they observe first hand around them as the very real threat of someone kicking in their door in the not too distant future.

But I'm sure things are "fine mostly" for you. 401k doing okay? Still get your two full weeks in the Bahamas this summer vacation? Mom and Dad still paying your car insurance and cell phone bills on time?

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