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[–] lung@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (31 children)

To be unfunny:

The whole idea of a balls hitting each other universe went out the window when we hit the quantum era. We have had to adapt to a reality where matter is somehow a statistical phenomena, and the details are always hidden from us in one way or another. Entanglement is another confusing thing, and its super common - not just some rare phenomena in a lab, it's more of a fact of particle interaction

So our brains are somehow statisical-chemical-electric sugar powered supercomputers that have entangled state. And the brain actually stretches across the body, with various chemistry being produced throughout

In short, nobody has any idea how brains really work, it's way more elaborate than current AI. It's also likely impossible to fully simulate a brain - it would have to BE a brain

There's a separate question about the nature of randomness in the universe, but all we can know is that follows a normal distribution over time. It seems truly random from our point of view. Of course, who's to say if God likes to fudge the numbers a little

[–] soniquest@lemmy.studio 32 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Yes, but none of that refutes the argument that we lack free will. The trillions of interactions leading up to an 'action' on our part can be random, determined, or some mixture - but they still 'cause' our next action, rather than our 'free will ' causing the action. If you believe in free will, you believe in a magical quality we possess which is somehow neither random (else it wouldnt be 'will') nor determined (else it wouldn't be 'free')

[–] damnson@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I personally find all discussion around free will annoying. Whether or not I have free will I still have to decide to do shit. I can’t just go on autopilot.

[–] soniquest@lemmy.studio 6 points 1 year ago

It only feels that way 😃 But yes, there's no escaping the feeling

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean yeah, I don't believe in free will, but in day to day life I still get annoyed at my friends when they can't seem to make simple choices and feel best when I feel like I'm making good choices.

Imho our language hasn't really caught up, someone mentioned the idea of distinguishing free will from agency which is intriguing, because at a fundamental level we still need to feel like we're making choices in day to day life because of our how our brains are wired, but at the same time from a moral and philosophical truth standpoint it's incredibly important to still consider the implications of free will not existing...

Society is just starting to wake up to the idea of "systemic issues", not believing in free will forces you to consider all issues as systemic, something a lot more intellectually challenging but that ultimately reveals a lot more truth and comfort about the world, and imho provides a very strong moral foundation.

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