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[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago (18 children)

Secularism is the direct consequence of this new autonomy of civil society, for entire areas of social life are, henceforth, conceivable independendy of one another. The need to satisfy metaphysical yearnings is left to individual conscience, and religion loses its status as a force of formal constraint. Contrary to a widespread Eurocentric preconception, however, secularism is not peculiar to Christian society, which demanded its liberation from the heavy yoke of the church. Nor is it the result of the conflict between the "national" state and a church with a universal vocation. For during the Reformation, the church is in fact "national" in its various forms--Anglican, Lutheran, and so forth. Nevertheless, the new fusion of church and state does not produce a new theocracy, but rather, one might say, a religious secularism. Secularism, even though the reactionary ecclesiastical forces fought it, did not root out belief. It even, perhaps, reinforced it in the long run, by freeing it of its formalist and mythological straightjackets. Christians of our time, whether or not they are intellectuals, have no problem accepting that humankind descended from apes and not from Adam and Eve.

  • Samir Amin, Eurocentrism, The Decline of Metaphysics and the Reinterpretation of Religion.
[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago (17 children)

That quote checks out.

Get a techbro talking long enough and you'll hear both deism and Revelations-style rapture and damnation prophecies with cyberpunkerinos characteristics.

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (16 children)

That's the thing, by religion losing it's place as the arbitrator of certain social norms and by being able to believe in modern Christianity while not having to accept nonsense beliefs (like the world being created in 7 days and being 6000 years old, denying the existence of evolution, extreme homophobia and sexism, being able to wear a "satanic" outfit without being excommunicated from Christianity like Musk did here) belief in religion, paticularly this new kind of Christianity can actually be reinforced.

The quote even checks out in my personal experience. I'm a closeted bisexual, and the church being homophobic and forcing that belief on us was a big reason I left the church and became an atheist as a teenager. The other big part was the denial of science. I couldn't accept that nonsense from them. However, I am meeting LGBT people a few years younger than me who are religious and still go to church, as it's a more accepting environment for them at the particular churches they attend. Thinking back, if I had gone to a more accepting church as a child, a church that accepted the scientific reality of evolution, the big bang, etc and was accepting of LGBT people, would I be an atheist today? Honestly, probably not, I probably would've stayed a Christian.

[–] CupcakeOfSpice@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago

CW suicidal thoughts, kind of a long rantI struggle some with this because when I was young, I was taught to weave together every aspect of who I was with the church, then essentially told every part that was me was evil and rotten while every part that was the church was perfect and unassailable. Trying to separate myself from the church or faith often felt like (and often added up to) suicide. So I've mever really been able to fully separate for those reasons, then add in a psychotic disorder with frequent religious delusions and I'm a mess. I believe in Jesus, but I try to keep away from the science denial and queer-phobia. (personally am trans, but that was a long and painful process of discovery) I also try to let other people believe what they believe. If faith is an opium to me, then I am direly addicted to it with no way out I can see. But I'm trying to still be a good human while believing in a faith that all too often oppresses and suppresses other folks, identities, faiths, and cultures.

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