this post was submitted on 14 Aug 2024
31 points (100.0% liked)

chapotraphouse

13547 readers
22 users here now

Banned? DM Wmill to appeal.

No anti-nautilism posts. See: Eco-fascism Primer

Gossip posts go in c/gossip. Don't post low-hanging fruit here after it gets removed from c/gossip

founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 14 points 5 months ago (28 children)

Today's not April 1st, is it?

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 5 points 5 months ago (27 children)

Not that I can tell, what did you think of the article?

[–] da_gay_pussy_eatah@hexbear.net 28 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (24 children)

It's interesting how you only draw comparisons with CPUSA. You claim that it has "the most potential to be the groundwork for a future party." I would contend, however, that the PSL is a current party that people can organize with today.

You're Marxist Leninists, yet you do not organize under the principles of democratic centralism. Why not? Do you intend to somehow transform the DSA into a democratic centralist organization? Do you really believe that the liberals, social democrats, and democratic socialists that comprise most of the DSA would just go along with that? You can't expect to just take the existing membership of the DSA and magically convert them into a committed Marxist Leninist cadre.

As it stands, the DSA are not principled anti-imperialists, as evidenced by their failure to take a principled stance in support of Palestinian resistance in the wake of Al-Aqsa Flood, or their anti-communist stances on Cuba and AES. This isn't a "past" issue, it's ongoing. How do you address that? Why is it the "correct" strategy to attempt entryism into the DSA instead of joining a real, existing Marxist Leninist party?

[–] ch1l@hexbear.net 14 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Genuine question, I spent time with CPUSA and DSA, and still will go to events if they align with my values, but have largely found that the membership are primarily liberals who are very socially progressive, but ultimately only really care about domestic policy. Is the PSL considered more serious? I felt burned by the other two, but want to still be involved in local efforts where I can.

[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Check out FRSO if they're active where you live. We're explicitly ML and small but cool

[–] LesbianLiberty@hexbear.net 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Oh wait did you actually end up joining FRSO? That's dope! How's it been so far?

[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Good so far! I got a call from national leadership right away, who put me in touch with local leadership. I went to a general membership meeting and I'm meeting again today with someone to work through the theory study packet for new members. Everyone seems cool and communist, which is what I was looking for

[–] LesbianLiberty@hexbear.net 2 points 5 months ago

Hell yeah, that's fucking awesome. I hope y'all do very well and that one day our movements are able to join together, either by forming a unity party or by struggling together officially. I've seen what you say on here and I have to say that I trust you when you say if it's working out and good then it's working out extremely well and is very good.

[–] da_gay_pussy_eatah@hexbear.net 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The PSL places a very high importance on anti-imperialism, and members are required to hold principled anti-imperialist stances and not be libs/regurgitate state department propaganda. This is demonstrated by the fact that the PSL (in coalition with other groups like PYM) were organizing protests in support of Palestinian resistance on October 8th while many other orgs are still arguing over whether to condemn Hamas to this day.

[–] LesbianLiberty@hexbear.net 2 points 5 months ago

Yeah, in my experience across the board the PSL is a robust and ideologically coherent party with an incredibly engaged membership. Biased though, as this experience is colored by my experiences working as a member of the party. I think that one should join whatever principled and (importantly!) effective ML org in their area, but I'm happy to say that for me and my area it fills this role exactly.

load more comments (20 replies)
load more comments (22 replies)
load more comments (22 replies)