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[–] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (29 children)

It's so very capitalist to look at failed attempts to escape capitalism which were sabotaged by capitalists as indication that the need to rebel is the problem.

[–] CHINESEBOTTROLL@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago (16 children)

failed attempts

They didn't fail. I mean you can criticize the ussr, but it was not capitalist

which were sabotaged by capitalists

What a weird thing to say. The USSR had sovereign control over the largest country in the world by far + a lot of allies. The capitalists can't even get rid of north Korea. Its not the capitalists, the system is just shit

the need to rebel is the problem

I mean its fine to rebel, but if your goal is communism I will bet on another case of "tHatS nOT rEaL coMMUnIsM"

[–] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Communism doesn't include a hierarchy of power enforced by violence. The two concepts are antithetical. The USSR was somewhere between capitalism and fascism.

[–] CHINESEBOTTROLL@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Communism doesn't include a hierarchy of power enforced by violence

Very convenient, since nothing will ever meet this standard, so you will be able to say "that's not communism" for the rest of your life. Actually sounds like the definition on anarcho capitalism

The two concepts are antithetical

Maybe to you, but many of the people in power at the time believed they were on the way to communism

USSR was somewhere between capitalism and fascism

I know of two common definitions of capitalism: "a system mostly organized around a profit-motive" and "a system in which individuals are mostly free to enter into consensual contracts". I don't see how the USSR is close to either of these. It was closer to fascism, tho there are also large differences

[–] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Nothing will ever meet this standard" ~CHINESEBOTTROLL

If CHINESEBOTTROLL says it, then it must be true.

The two concepts are antithetical, even if the ignorant and corrupt claim it for themselves. Modern Christianity is antithetical to the Gospels of Christ, and that remains the case even as America slides into Christofascism. Fascists have always been steeped in irony because their core beliefs are based in the ignorance of ego.

You having an ignorant concept of capitalism doesn't have any bearing on reality, except that it causes you to ignore the atrocities of the system that keeps you fat and happy.

[–] CHINESEBOTTROLL@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

the atrocities of the system that keeps you fat and happy.

You misunderstand. That is not capitalism but CRONY-capitalism. The two concepts are anrithetical. In REAL capitalism everyone respects the non-agression principle and therefore everyone is free. Crony capitalism is actually the LEAST capitalist system and is closer to socialism, because the government does stuff. I am very smart

[–] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I didn't say that communism hasn't happened. It happens everywhere there's more than one person present, until it is stopped by a fascist who starts building a hierarchy, demanding that one person be in control and set the agenda. Fear is the fertile ground in which ignorance blossoms. The reason that all governments are based in fascism is because they all ultimately believe in their own authority to enact violence on individuals. When the ignorance INEVITABLY collapses into violence, communism rises from the ashes in the form of mutual aide, community, schools, and basic infrastructure.

[–] CHINESEBOTTROLL@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

communism rises from the ashes in the form of mutual aide, community, schools, and basic infrastructure.

This made me realize that you are not worth my time. I hope you have a nice life!

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