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[Biden's] administration has blocked every international effort for a ceasefire and voted against Palestinian statehood at the UN, while providing the weapons slaughtering children in Gaza. This is nonsense.

-Assal Rad

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Don't want this comment to go overlooked since it summarizes the article nicely.

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cross-posted from: https://midwest.social/post/12244761

TikTok is also now banned in the territory as French authorities have blamed the app for helping organize the demonstrations, and “attracting troublemakers to the streets,” as the South China Morning Post put it.

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People said the same ignorant things about monarchy/feudalism as we hear people saying about capitalism now.

Stop thinking we can fix the system because we can't. The system itself is the problem.

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Not looking to start a debate, and as an anarchist I've come to a pretty solid conclusion that election isn't going to fix anything, but I also see the point that Trump and his supporters are more extreme fascists than the obvious fascist currently in office.

But it's not like we have time to deal with incremental change like the liberals think. Our planet is dying, people are being killed, tortured, imprisoned, and displaced by our current leadership and system. So how can I validate that?

I'd love to hear some thoughts because I honestly don't know what to do.

Keep in mind I've had family deported under Biden who continues to double down on his support for border fascism and his dissemination of the myth of a "border crisis." Keep in mind that people may have friends and loved ones who've died or been displaced in Palestine due to Biden's support for the genocidal state of Israel.

And please avoid telling me that Trump is un-American or that he wants to destroy America, because that honestly sounds like you're heaping praise on him.

I'd like to know how/if you think I should vote, but also what more urgent action we can take because we're not going to make it at this rate, no matter which rich white dude ends up in office.

This thread is open to share your perspective. Just don't be an asshole, please.

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One quote from this that sticks with me:

Questions precede answers and outlast them: every answer only perpetuates the question that begot it

I'm so opinionated at times, but trying to circle back to the questions and remain open to exploring answers without leaning on "this text says..." or "that person addressed..." but it's uncomfortable.

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I know I've posted about this before, but this is important to understand: Israel has torture and death camps similar to those in Nazi Germany.

Also, this was reported by CNN which has a strong pro-Israel bias, so if anything the reality is even worse.

THIS is what the US and many other nations are supporting. This is what liberals will tell you is a "single issue" worth ignoring. Think about this before popping out of a well to defend this with some gotcha or "well ackshually."

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"If we don't send arms to Israel, then someone else will, such as ... hmmmm ... China -- yes, Chinaaaaa! China bad and scary! USA gud and pure! Trust me bro, it's complicated, you just don't understand. He's playing 4d chess bro, and he has to win the election, I swear if he just wins the election the genocide will stop, I know we lied to you about literally everything in 2020, and 2012, and 2008, and... but this time fr bro trust me."

-How (totally not racist) liberals defending Butcher Biden sound

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Macklemore has stated that ALL proceeds from streaming will be going to UNRWA to help displaced Palestinian families.

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...and college in the US isn't even affordable, in spite of all its bloodmongering

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Not sure if this is the right community to post this, but I'll give it a shot.

One of my very good friends is planning on going into the Navy in about a year. He's generally a moderate left leaning kinda guy, but is trans. He comes from a navy family which is part of the reason he decided to go in the first place. He's going into mechanics and stuff and not combat which is slightly better I guess, but it's very concerning to me that he's planning on joining especially because he's trans. I also feel that ethically, actively participating in that system is bad.

How can I dissuade him from joining? I don't wanna go full force argument mode because it's ultimately his choice but I would like advice on how to softly nudge him away from it without affecting our friendship negatively. Thanks.

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