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submitted 1 year ago by L4s@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

The landed gentry are only in charge until the king comes to town and chops off a few heads. At least that seems to be the case at Reddit, where CEO Steve Huffman pretended his complaints about current moderators — who were protesting his decision to effectively cut off API access to tons of useful…

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[-] majere@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

WE made the content. The community. No doubt the majority of level-headed folk would have accepted ad requirements in 3rd party apps. Hosting isn't free, something needs to be monetized.

But that's not what it's about. It's about locking down content from the new wave of AI models and charging for it. Charging for content we created freely to be shared.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Ads? No, I would not accept ads. What I would have accepted was a subscription payment. Hell, I went so far as to purchase Apollo lifetime ultimate.

I am more than willing to support things I use. I am not willing to deal with ads though. Especially when they sneak in like they are posts, and take up entire scroll widths.

[-] Koopa_Khan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I don’t get how people put up with that either. My wife said that we were being over dramatic about the 3rd Party Apps protests, but will agree that the ads are annoying. Hopefully she’ll convert over here before to long and get a taste for how a message board should be.

[-] YarRe@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Stockholmed into thinking ads are acceptable. They're not. No social contract says that you have to put up with ads, they're simply unregulated in the USA and people have mostly given up.

[-] ArbitraryMary@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Reddit ads are way too intrusive and irrelevant.

[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah and it's not like you wouldn't understand that Reddit would 2-tier its API so that paying Reddit users can get served ad-less experiences while non-paying need to see ads for your app to use the API. That's not even that uncommon from what I interact with at work.

[-] maple@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

At the end of the day, Reddit is just a message board. The absolute hubris to think that one could seriously go public with a message board website... It's baffling.

Honestly, Reddit missed the ship to IPO. They should have done it a decade ago if at all.

Without mods, Reddit will become overrun with bots, rendering the precious data Reddit so desparately tries to monetize practically useless.

[-] Tandybaum@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I mod a small/mid size sub that is still blacked out. Should I leave it private or just let it get overrun with spam?

[-] Chonk@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Shift the community to lemmy and write a pinned post on reddit about the change.

Request members to delete their reddit post.

[-] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That would have been a lot easier before the API change. Not sure if that's an easy task anymore (pegging old content)

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

You don't owe reddit anything.

[-] Martin_AAurelius@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Sell promoted posts directly, admins have made it abundantly clear they're in it for money over community, get your cheddar too.

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[-] KairuByte@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I’m a mod over on r/NoahGetTheBoat and I haven’t even opened reddit more than a couple times since Apollo died.

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[-] yrmitz@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I am glad that this happened because Lemmy is very interesting platform.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I’ve barely been back to Reddit recently and with Apollo gone, I’ll only ever duck my head in when I really have to. I find it a lot easier to leave Reddit behind than Facebook. On FB I’m connected to real world relatives and friends who I just would lose contact with otherwise. On Reddit I converse with strangers and that’s easy to replace. Lemmy has already done it. Is there anything unique about the hobby forums on Reddit? No. They can be reassembled or restarted elsewhere. In some ways it’s probably good to dump the old structures and shake things up. Some subs were better managed and some really just coasted on their name.

[-] ItsaB3AR@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

The only thing that had me back on Reddit was searching for something on DDG and getting 99% Reddit results. I see why they are un-deleting people's comments and posts when they close their accounts. Hopefully other forums take those spots.

[-] rskn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That explains why I kept trying to purge my history and having some posts keep popping back up.

[-] fidodo@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I was an early adopter of Reddit back during the digg days and I had over a decade of post history there and to see that go.... I couldn't care less. It was all ephemeral bullshit.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

16 years and almost 300K comment karma here…

[-] Tygr@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Same here. Liking Lemmy like I liked Reddit at the beginning.

[-] theyseemeroland@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Same, I just miss some of the interest based communities I was in, but they're growing well on Lemmy right now. Optimistic for the future.

[-] lobut@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

For June 20 and 21, the most recent days for which Similarweb has estimates, the ads site got in the range of 7,500 to 9,000 visits, Carr explained, meaning that ad-buying traffic has continued to drop.

I'm glad Reddit is feeling something from this, however, at the same time. I kinda don't care. It's a shame it went the way that it did. But spez can't take back his terrible attitude and decision making on what happened. Most people were sympathetic and wanting Reddit to be profitable and rooting for Reddit. However, spez just decided to come out swinging from nowhere hitting his allies in the face.

[-] bkmps3@aussie.zone 5 points 1 year ago

Yeh I’m in the same boat. The day the internal memo came out about how everything will blow over, I deleted Apollo. I haven’t been back to reddit since and after the first week, I don’t even miss it now.

I wish lemmy was a bit busier, but outside of that the general atmosphere and quality here is better. Even if everything was reversed and Spez was booted, I won’t return now.

[-] PoppinKREAM@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

I was apprehensive of moving over to Lemmy, but I'm starting to get the feel of the fediverse and finally made the switch over.

I think the community can grow over time. It honestly feels like early Reddit, I'm quite enjoying Lemmy!

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[-] Rancid_squirts@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Well we’re here basically figuring it out. Time to show them they aren’t needed anymore.

[-] toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

reddit is just a frame. it always was and will always be, despite the efforts of a few dumb cunts.

the content is the people. that's the secret sauce. just provide people with a framework, and they'll fill the empty space. try to monetize that, and you're just a dick.

i have faith in defederisation. my autocorrect says that isn't a word. let's make it a word.

[-] DriftingDeep@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The thing is, they COULD’VE monetized it and still kept it alive. What they’re doing instead is killing the golden goose for a quick cash-out.

Edit: I hate your username. A lot of trauma associated with that failed tongue-twister.

[-] Naia_Elwyn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

As crappy as it would be, charging users a couple bucks a month for ad free and the ability to use third party apps would probably have been the best move they could make.

[-] Naia_Elwyn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I've hoped for decentralizing a lot of stuff over the years and every time the clunky nature prevented them from taking off.

Sadly, until there were centralized spaces the average person didn't really get into the internet when it was IRC chats and disconnected forums.

[-] Labotomized@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It’s not defederated it’s federated and decentralized

[-] toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

oops. don't drink and post, y'all.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

However, Similarweb told Gizmodo traffic to the ads.reddit.com portal, where advertisers can buy ads and measure their impact, has dipped. Before the first blackout began, the ads site averaged about 14,900 visits per day. Beginning on June 13, though, the ads site averaged about 11,800 visits per day, a 20% decrease.

For June 20 and 21, the most recent days for which Similarweb has estimates, the ads site got in the range of 7,500 to 9,000 visits, Carr explained, meaning that ad-buying traffic has continued to drop.

This is the only metric that matters to Reddit, so it's nice to see!

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[-] Nausiyan@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

I came from days of dialup and gone through yahoo groups, Myspace, tons of geocity sites, ask jeevs, LiveJournal, and so on. Sites will only be an attraction tell something comes that offers more. With federation and decentralized systems coming up, the hold on people and corporations trying to use you as a commodity will only tarnish the shine that it once was. When companies hold a noose around your neck thinking there isn't another option, telling you to go ahaid and jump, thinking no one will and when something comes by that makes the jump just a step down and you can take off the noose, there is nothing that they can hold onto anymore. They cannot say you have nowhere else to go. With the choice around in a federated system, you cannot be held hostage by a single entity. When people have the freedom of choice, the people win.

[-] Ephur@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I’ve got a similar history and agree. Platforms may seem to big to fail, but they really aren’t. Sometimes growth is slow, but once a platform hits a critical mass it’ll explode. I’m new to Lemmy, but Reddit has done the platform a favor, it’s got some great ideas. And with wefwef it feels great to use already. Reddit just payed forward the favor digg did for them ;)

[-] fidodo@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

They had no lockin. Other social networks are connected to your real identity and real life friends and connections. Or they have content creators that you could only find on their platform. Reddit had neither. Leaving it was the easiest thing ever.

[-] poopgood@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Cant see reactions Fixed it!

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Imagine that once upon a time (5-15 years ago), I actually had addblocker disabled on reddit, because I considered it worth supporting. lol

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[-] DarthYodaX@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

This seems intentional at this point...

[-] mabd@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

The beatings aren't improving morale, you say? I guess we just need to increase the beatings then.

[-] damnYouSun@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

It is basically "if you refuse to work for free, then we won't let you work for free. Ha, that'll teach them"

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[-] spiderkle@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Understand that Spez is so out of touch he even managed to piss off gigantic pacifist nerd-communities like r/startrek to leave and switch over to the open source side! These subs inevitably take dedicated users and quality memes with them. The users and mods create the value. Honour to you and your house Lemmy. Qapla'

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