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[–] Toribor@corndog.social 83 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Fictional men telling you it's okay to have emotions and struggle is appealing because real men do not typically speak about these values. Boys are constantly surrounded by a maelstrom of toxic masculinity. Anything that helps them cultivate a positive inner voice and healthy self image is fine by me.

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Honestly have to agree. It's weird, but fine.

[–] FirstMajesticComet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I wish they would honestly stop with the Toxic masculinity and gender stereotypes, boys can and should be kind and compassionate and also be taught that self care is important, not be scolded for doing these things. Strange that we live in a world where being a boy who takes care of themselves causes you to get shit for it.

Luckily things seem to be changing for the better in recent times.

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not without substantial pushback but we're shifting in the correct direction

And to those that think it only comes from men, I've been in the receiving end of that kind of crap from both men and women in my life.

And to those that need to hear it, sometimes you have to cut your relatives out of your life because of their toxicity. Be they your parents, your grandparents, or even your siblings. It hurts, but you will be happier without them constantly being toxic to you.

And to those that think it only comes from men, I’ve been in the receiving end of that kind of crap from both men and women in my life.

I've gotten it from both, especially teachers in school. "Riley why are you crying, see this is what I'm telling you, you're clearly not a boy, boys don't cry that much". My school was interesting because they were trying to be ""trans-inclusive"" but ended up pushing toxic gender stereotypes onto people. They also were enbyphobic too (didn't believe in or care about NonBinary gender).

[–] PolarPerspective 1 points 1 year ago

I take a more neutral view on this. Master Chief and Kratos are great examples of what could be called "toxic masculinity". They are the epitome of the duty-first, hide-your-emotions male. But they are also great examples of why toxic masculinity is a flawed concept.

Both of these characters have lived lives where discipline and emotional control were key to their survival. They have learned resilience through hardship not by taking the female approach to emotion resolution, but by taking the male approach. Instead of letting their emotions out by crying and socializing, they channeled them into their work.

There is a time and place for both methods. Neither is inherently wrong or unhealthy. But the latter is traditionally masculine, and would definitely qualify as toxic masculinity by the common definition.

[–] Anangrierterrarian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I would be lying if i said i didnt listen to duken nukem inspiring me to shower daily

i would also be lying if i said that it didnt help me shower every day because it absolutely did

[–] BautAufWasEuchAufbaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Showering daily is probably not good for your skin, if you can avoid it :)

[–] Lux@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

showering daily is fine, and necessary for a lot of people

[–] chumbalumber@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Exactly; if you're scrubbing every inch with lye every day it's not great, but using a relatively gentle soap and cleaning your pits, tits and bits is perfectly fine and helps you maintain some semblance of a social life.

[–] BautAufWasEuchAufbaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Showering every day is not good for your skin and very likely not necessary if you're not doing physical labour. Washing yourself is a different story.

[–] chumbalumber@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I cycle to and from work -- if I don't shower, that's not hugely kind to my colleagues!

if you're not doing physical labour

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago

Believe it or not everyone has a smell and for some it can be quite strong without physical labor.

Not to mention weather can play a big factor as well.

Or due to allergies during allergy season.

There's many reasons to shower everyday.

And I'm not sure what you mean by making a difference between showering and washing. They're interchangeable terms given the context.

[–] Simplesyrup@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] BautAufWasEuchAufbaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Simplesyrup@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

take a shower and touch grass

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago

I'm here to chew bubblegum and shower, and I'm all out of bubblegum.

[–] emstuff@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

mental health is not a joke friends, not even when men and boys are the butt of your funny 😌😌

[–] Skjolle@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Haha you said butt 😌🤓

[–] Dampyr@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

No, I am not. Thanks for asking Kutielee

[–] HardlightCereal@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

How come only boys are allowed to be Master Chief fans? I'm nonbinary and there aren't any nonbinary characters as prominent as Master Chief. Plus he's already a queer icon so why can't I like him as a fellow asexual?

[–] potustheplant@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here's a crazy idea. Maybe videogame characters are separate from you and it doesn't matter if they're male, female, non-binary, etc. I always empathized (or didn't) with characters if I found their problems/feelings relatable. Their sexuality or whatever couldn't be less important.

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago

But also having ones who you can relate to due to their shared characteristics with you is also important.

As a dude, seeing a fictional dude overcome his traumas and become a better person is heartening.

As a member of the queer community, seeing a fictional character who's also a member of the queer community learn who they are and learn to express themselves to others as who they are is inspiring.

Or seeing either of those characters go about their heroes journey while having those traits is also greatly inspirational.

For some people having the characters be more relatable to them in personal traits helps them to put themselves in their shoes. For others it's not that important. Both are are perfectly valid ways of going about it.

[–] FirstMajesticComet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There used to be some weird elitism that "video games are for boys" or something dumb like that. I'm not sure why maybe it was based on the subjects in video games but it's not as mainstream today as it used to be in the early 2000s, nowadays it's pretty widely accepted that gaming is typically gender neutral, or at least masc-neutral.

[–] HardlightCereal@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe it's because video games used to be expensive and parents wouldn't drop that much money on a girl's toy unless it was traditionally feminine. In a patriarchal society, men have the privilege of gender neutrality

That is true, although in the early days (when they started being a thing in the late 70s) video games were something meant for the whole family, not just for the boys/kids and they were usually marketed to the family.

[–] Acer@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Never thought about it but it makes sense that he is nb I guess lol never played Halo

[–] HardlightCereal@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I just tried listening to Master Chief tell me to clean my house and it was really nice

Maater chief says destroy the covenant fleet

(Simon says style)