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The sketchy part is not her not getting convicted. It's that no charges were even filed. I also enjoyed this bit of info from one of the sources regarding the other DUI incident. Prosecutors in Texas have dropped a 2011 drunken driving citation against Wal-Mart Stores Inc. heiress Alice Walton.

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[–] CarnivorousCouch@lemmy.world 124 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I knew about this but it's never made sense to me. If I was a billionaire I'd never drive myself anywhere, particularly not if I was going to be intoxicated.

[–] ElectricTickles@lemmy.sdf.org 90 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Having billions generally means not having to explain yourself

[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Intelligence hasn't been a requirement for being wealthy for some time. We're dealing with a growing number of mega rich morons now.

[–] Greg@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair, a lot of the mega rich morons, Musk, Zuckerberg, etc are narrow geniuses (with a lot of luck). They're just not self aware enough to know what they don't know and they think they're renaissance men. If the news media was continuously telling me that I was a genius, I might start to believe it too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think I'm a genius solely because of me telling myself this continuously. I can't imagine how off the rails I'd be if any other people joined in.

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[–] nikt@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Having to rely on people to do things for you, even if you’re super rich, can be annoying. People that work for you take time off, get sick, so now you need other people to manage the other people to ensure that someone is always available, then you start to dislike some of those people, but managing who is around you all the time also takes effort, etc. etc. You can’t pay your way out of everything. Plus sometimes you just want to do things for yourself, and sometimes you just want to be alone.

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[–] Chozo@kbin.social 104 points 1 year ago

Did you forget? Laws are for poor people.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 89 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If you have heard the word “intersectionality” but didn’t know what it meant, this gives us a good example.

Feminists will say that women are not treated fairly overall, BUT if you’re a white woman, you might actually have it better than a black man. And if you’re an extremely wealthy white woman, you might even have it better than most men. All the factors combine.

It also works in reverse. Basically a gay black woman might not feel anything in common with Mrs. Walton, despite them both being women, and might easily see her as an oppressor.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The single biggest difference in the treatment there is, is based on wealth: in other words, one's wealth is the single biggest factor for discriminatory treatment there is.

Anybody genuinelly wanting to end the unfairness of descrimination on things which people did not choose would be focusing most efforts (not all, but the largest fraction) on ending or at least reducing that which is the largest and most impactful discrimination there is (and which is often a pathway through which other kinds of discrimination end up affecting people: i.e. a group is marginalized on some visible trait, so many more in it are poor, and then most of the actual suffering comes from the differentiated treatment dependening on wealth).

Instead, "strangelly", in those countries with voting systems that enforce power dupolies, the mainstream "left"-side party (which alternates in power with the "right"-side party) will at most loudly rage against a few other discriminations, never against wealth discrimination.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I agree that class is incredibly important and yet has a chronic problem getting recognized. The American class system is more flexible and mobile than its European forebears but it’s still there. Wealth buys access to better schools, safer streets, more lenient judges, etc.

Race is also huge in America and a lot of people insist on burying it, too. Their belief is that even talking about it is racist - they still believe in the fantasy of “not seeing race,” where most of us have recognized that the true goal is for everyone to be able to have a distinct racial and cultural identity but not be penalized for it. Not for everyone to be stripped of it all and treated as blank.

Some people say race overrides all. Some people say class overrides all. Intersectionality says that they both matter, and that an extremely wealthy gay black man won’t have the same treatment as Mrs. Walton.

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's a circuitous path to class consciousness, but if it works I'm not complaining.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Class, race, gender, sexual orientation… those are the dimensions that intersect in all of us. I’m sure there are more. Religion used to be more significant, I think. Ability. Age, perhaps. In some countries there’s a concept of caste. Maybe education level and country/city are also involved but those are not the big ones.

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[–] tony@lemmy.hoyle.me.uk 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I saw a post once about how discrimination law doesn't recognise combinations.. so a company was found not guilty of discrimination against a black woman because they employ lots of white women as secretaries and black men as labourers, and were therefore 'diverse'.

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[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 73 points 1 year ago

Just remember: You don't have to shop at Walmart to support the Waltons. Your tax dollars go to the social programs that many Walmart employees are forced to depend on because Walmart won't pay a living wage.

Getting away with murder is only one privilege of being wealthy.

[–] Treczoks@lemm.ee 67 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The US has the best justice system money can buy.

[–] yoz@aussie.zone 8 points 1 year ago

That's true

[–] gatelike@feddit.de 56 points 1 year ago (4 children)

fuck this, how would you feel if the pedestrian was your family. how do people deal with tragedy like that without... losing the will to be civil?

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

People like this have money. That creates a barrier between them and "other"people. With enough money you never have to think about anyone below the line.

[–] dismalnow@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago

And this is why I dislike the idiotic temporarily embarrassed billionaires most of all. They're just looking for a way to get away with all of their shitty impulses.

[–] xuxebiko@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

The problem is not them having money. The problem is they're treated differently because they have money. As if laws don't apply to them just because they have money. Their enablers are the problem.

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[–] Meltbox@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

To be honest I don’t know. I’m continuously surprised by how few politicians and rich people are shot by people they have wronged.

Like if it was your only kid or something I don’t know how you hold yourself back in the face of this kind of injustice.

[–] Igotz80HDnImWinning@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wonder what the French would do?

[–] TubeTalkerX@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Burn it all down?

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[–] ME5SENGER_24@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There’s no such thing as a good billionaire

[–] pozbo@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you look deep, deep down (approx. 12,500 feet down) I'm sure you can find something nice to say.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Not to be an Internet edgelord, but if some billionaire killed one of my family and got away with it, I would make it my life's mission to hunt them down and make sure they get some kind of justice.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You would have a great deal of difficulty just getting near them. Billionaires don't hang out at Walmart - ironically enough in this case.

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[–] giacomo@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] gamer@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

This reminds me of that movie "Assault on Wall Street" where basically some dude goes on a killing spree and starts murdering a bunch of wall street people. Except, the guy is framed as a hero, which I assume is because it came out not too long after the 2008 financial crisis (~2013). I watched that movie in like 2017, and it felt antisocial and lunatic-ey.

I wonder if we're at a point right now where a similar movie about going on a killing spree against billionaires would do well?

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[–] xuxebiko@kbin.social 50 points 1 year ago

Read about Robert H. Richards IV, the Du pont eir whho raped his own children. Guess how much prison time he saw?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/denizcam/2019/06/14/how-a-du-pont-heir-avoided-jail-time-for-a-heinous-crime/?sh=2b94a2a029db

[–] ForgetReddit@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

Thanks for posting this. More people should know.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 year ago

It doesn't surprise me. Even regular folks who kill pedestrians and cyclists get off easy. This is just one step further because of $$$

[–] Illegal_Prime@dmv.social 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

To be fair, I doubt most people who commit vehicular crimes in Texas get charged.

[–] illiteratepotato@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not like it was an abortion or anything......

[–] Illegal_Prime@dmv.social 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That’s part of it, but vehicular crimes specifically are often overlooked, many people aren’t concerned by high numbers of road fatalities, and often resort to victim blaming, as if it’s just a cost of living.

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[–] Brkdncr@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This happens a LOT more often than you think. I worked with a well-connected person that killed a dude while she was drunk driving. She was not in jail at any point.

[–] Meltbox@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Drunk driving seems to be severely under prosecuted for well to do and connected people.

I think it’s changing partially due to body cams now. But it’s still pretty bad.

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[–] FReddit@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Justice comes ... at a price.

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 year ago

Wow, people with obscene amounts of money being treated differently than everyone else. Who would have thought? Did not see this coming.

[–] esmazer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So who did they pay? The families? The police? The politicians? All?

[–] xhieron@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It would take a whole awful lot to keep me from climbing a fence.

[–] wanderingmagus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They have well-paid paramilitary-style guards that can arrange for you to tragically fall backwards onto twelve bullets from five different guns if they ever thought you were a threat.

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[–] wanderingmagus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

All except the families, I'd assume. The families they just had their representatives casually mention how it would be a shame if their children should somehow end up sold to wealthy men in Russia with particularly young tastes in girls.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

“Affluenza” is a totally credible defense, allegedly.

[–] Meltbox@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

The Waltons in general appear to be terrible people as a family. But yeah I remember reading this.

[–] nihilist_hippie@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

Rules for thee, not for me

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