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The UK must make big changes to its diets, farming and land use to hit net zero – official climate advisers (theconversation.com)
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[–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

You literally said the problem was with insulin producing spikes from carbs, and therefore you can't eat a plant based diet. I just showed you evidence that you can indeed eat a plant based diet, carbs or not, and maintain healthy blood sugar levels. And can even reverse diabetes.

It was obvious from the beginning you were being totally disingenuous. I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but the fact that you'll block over such an inoffensive message confirms my initial suspicion about you. You just don't want to eat a plant based diet and will find any reason not to. You had zero interest in learning and are just here to argue.

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[–] ladel@feddit.uk 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This mostly seems pretty achievable in my eyes. Meat consumption is apparently trending down anyway, even without government intervention. The difficult part may be turning farmland into woodland, because how do you get farmers to convert their source of income into land for trees?

[–] Flamekebab@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago

This is something that irks me about how we have things setup at the moment. Farming produces food. Put money in, get food out. The notion that it also needs to make money is putting the cart before the horse. Yay capitalism.

[–] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

to convert their source of income into land for trees?

The correct trees are income. Less than other sources. But I spose that is where gov needs to step in. But well managed wood cultivation is both CO2 absorbing and would reduce the huge transport harm imported wood causes.

Also, wood is getting insanely costly in the UK due to import costs. It may help other industries.

Also wood absorbs more Co2 in early growth so 10-50 year (depending on wood type). Replant and Investments plans in such land can be very effective.

[–] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Subsidise orchards like we do open farm land?

(I am not good enough at this law to know if orchards get the farming subsidies, happy to be informed by Lemmy people)

[–] rah@feddit.uk 3 points 1 day ago

Orchards are very different from woodland. Trees need to be evenly planted and have much more space than woods. Probably better than nothing but it's not the kind of CO2-sink woodland the CCC is talking about.

[–] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I am not good enough at this law

Nor am I. But Do know pre Brexit the EU was funding actual wood land. That is a huge part of the issues farmers have now.

The huge farm subsidies the EU provided were still not replaced or agreed to long after Brexit. I'm not sure if they ever were at all. But farmers were forced to change growing habits with no idea what the gov was going to support.

It was a huge part of way £350m a week was an outright lie. Not only were we not actually sending that much due to discounts. We got a huge chunk back via farm subs, and others.

[–] discreetelite@feddit.uk 1 points 20 hours ago

Love beef so much but I could easily cut it down by 30%

[–] Naich@lemmings.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I genuinely think that most people in the UK would rather destroy the planet than give up eating some meat.

[–] rah@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

destroy the planet

We're not destroying the planet, we're destroying our offspring (and those of many other species). The planet will still be covered in life after we're gone.

[–] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This is a point that needs pushing more.

Save the planet is not only false. But less impactful than just save humankind.

Trying to convert humanity back to low meat diets (again a much easier sell and the real issue is mass production). It is more likely if people are convinced it is their children to great grand children that will Suffer/Die/never happen. Rather than suggesting all life will end.

The sun god will still burn. Just like you did after the last great extinction.

Sorry could not resist the silly joke. I'll go hide in a bottle now

[–] davesmith@feddit.uk -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A high carbohydrate and so high insulin-producing plant-based diet certainly isn't healthy for me. The evidence that it is extremely problematic for many if not most people is compelling.

[–] rah@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A high carbohydrate and so high insulin-producing plant-based diet certainly isn't healthy for me.

What about a low carbohydrate plant-based diet?

[–] davesmith@feddit.uk -2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Please direct me to a low carbohydrate plant-based diet.

[–] rah@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure what you mean by "direct"ing you to a diet.

"Eat low amounts of carbohydrates in a plant-based diet." Is that direction enough?

[–] davesmith@feddit.uk -3 points 22 hours ago

Oh I see, it's the angry non-factual person.

I am not wasting my time with this. Block it is.

[–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Read The China Study and the work by Dr Neal Bernard. Type 2 diabetes can be reversed (not always, but it can be) or reduced. My mum had her dose of type 2 meds reduced by about half when she went on a plant based diet, because her blood sugar went too low on her regular dose.

[–] davesmith@feddit.uk -1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

You didn't say what diet your mum changed from. You could replace a lot of grains and root vegetables (very high in carbohydrate), (not to mention high sugar) with a lot of non-root vegetables and see a big reduction in diabetes symptoms, but that doesn't mean the diet is particularly low carbohydrate.

[–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 0 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Traditional Indian omni diet. You don't need to go low carb. In fact the desired ratio is 80% carbs, 10% protein, 10% fat. She still had grains and other carbs. It's about the type of carbs (slow digesting). For example bread will nearly always be high GI because the yeast has done the digestion for you. Whereas white pasta will be lower, because it takes a long time to digest. Carbs are good, as long as it's the right type of carbs.

People who say they've reversed their diabetes by going low carb haven't reversed it, because it would come right back if they ate carbs. It's like saying I made my arm fireproof by not holding a flame to it. Whereas going high fibre, low fat, low GI will allow you to still eat carbs without sugar spikes.

As I said, look into the work of Neal Barnard, who has reversed type 2 diabetes without cutting carbs and without any other lifestyle changes besides diet.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FxPSvcv8GXk

You asked to be directed. So I've directed you.

[–] davesmith@feddit.uk -2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I said direct me to a low carb plant based diet.

In response you told me you had, but that it didn't need to be low carb. Then you suggested an Indian diet, as if everybody in the UK is going to adopt that. You are talking nonsense. This is an easy block for being a waste of time.

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago

I have largely given up on red meat and cow's milk, I do sometimes have a bit of lamb. It's definitely doable.

[–] davesmith@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

With the best will in the world, the plain and simple fact is that there are too many people [both on the planet, if the intention is for everyone to live the ultra-high-energy/consumption 'developed world' lifestyle, and] in the UK in particular, when accepting the reality of 21st century society.

We are not anywhere near food or energy secure.

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago

So you are saying... Thanos was right?