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Fediverse vs Disinformation

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Pointing out, debunking, and spreading awareness about state- and company-sponsored astroturfing on Lemmy and elsewhere. This includes social media manipulation, propaganda, and disinformation campaigns, among others.

Propaganda and disinformation are a big problem on the internet, and the Fediverse is no exception.

What's the difference between misinformation and disinformation? The inadvertent spread of false information is misinformation. Disinformation is the intentional spread of falsehoods.

By equipping yourself with knowledge of current disinformation campaigns by state actors, corporations and their cheerleaders, you will be better able to identify, report and (hopefully) remove content matching known disinformation campaigns.


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[–] regrub@lemmy.world 115 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Credibility for .gov sources is only gonna get worse, it seems.

[–] GorGor@startrek.website 36 points 2 days ago

That's the point.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

oh man and .gov was the sites I generally could trust. shit

[–] regrub@lemmy.world 36 points 2 days ago

You can trust* .gov sites archived through archive.org if they predate the current administration.

*for most environmental/health related information, at least

[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Sounds like they're trying to find an excuse to take down the EPAs site, and eventually the EPA

[–] qprimed@lemmy.ml 64 points 2 days ago (3 children)

jfc, this reads like super low quality seo clickfarm trash. I am horrified that this is anywhere near a .gov site.

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

2 weeks until it's .Fox instead of .gov

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

Super low quality seo clickfarm trash is what's running the US government now.

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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago (17 children)

A gold bar weighs 400 troy ounces.

Right now gold is at $2,948.85 per troy ounce.

That's about 1,695 and a half gold bars.

A gold bar weighs 27.4286 lbs, so that is 46,507lbs of gold.

The standard armored car can carry up to 3,000 lbs, so it would take at least 16 armored cars to move that many bars.

I guess my point is that is a fuck load of gold. Where the hell do they think Biden was hiding it? In his guest bathroom?

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Trump and Elon found a place for it all, don't worry.

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 day ago

Trump and Elon want to "check" Fort Knox to "see if" the gold "is there", but "oh no" it's "all gone".

Yuuuuge bathrooms at Mar-a-Lago

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 6 points 2 days ago

And while the title mentions gold, the body of the article seems to indicate it's just money in a bank account? I don't see the gold thing repeated again.

[–] vinyl@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Yea good fuckin luck storing that much weight

[–] GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Standard wood joist floors are usually only rated for 30-40 lbs/sqft. That is going to be one hell of a big bathroom.

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 24 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Anyone have a link to the real story this is based on? This page is practically unintelligible. Are the gold bars metaphorical? What the fuck are they talking about?

[–] RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Anyone have a link to the real story this is based on? This page is practically unintelligible. Are the gold bars metaphorical? What the fuck are they talking about?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/02/20/fort-knox-gold-donald-trump-elon-musk/79314407007/

They're talking about the gold at Fort Knox.

"We're going to go to Fort Knox, the fabled Fort Knox, to make sure the gold is there. If the gold isn't there, we're going to be very upset," Trump said, per a C-SPAN recording.

Now today's update is that "gold is missing" (I use quotes because it's so obviously untrue). And according to Trump it's the Democrats that took it. Always the democrats. Black female ones too.

As if politicians need to steal gold bars. They receive that as a gift from Egypt as a bribe maybe, but they don't steal from Fort Knox. Makes zero sense. They can just trade stocks with insider info like everyone in congress.

[–] kn0wmad1c@programming.dev 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If gold really is missing, the first two places I'd check are Trump's pockets and the Mar-a-Lago bathrooms next to the classified documents.

[–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

He stole the gold during his first term and Ivana’s coffin doesn’t contain her.

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[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 29 points 2 days ago (2 children)

they're gonna rob fort knox.

sadly, i did not have that on this month's bingo card. (there wasn't room for it!)

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

According to the projection, they've already robbed it of $2 billion.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

And not even in a cool way with lasers and henchmen in silver jumpsuits.

What a stupid world.

[–] WHARRGARBL@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

Let’s not forget that all their accusations are confessions.

[–] takeheart@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Washington Examiner:

In the Wednesday video, Zeldin accused the Biden administration of rushing out these funds and said they should remain under the control of the government.

He referred to the funds several times as “gold bars,” referencing a December 2024 video put out by the conservative group Project Veritas in which a former EPA employee told an undercover member of the group that the administration was attempting to distribute as much of the promised funds as possible before President Joe Biden left office.

So it's just someone using a metaphor. And shoddy journalism. Wrapping gold bars in quotes does exculpate anyone from shoddy journalism.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So literally just normal government operations that they are trying to spin into some kind of scandal, same as all the other bullshit coming out each day.

[–] GorGor@startrek.website 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

One could make the argument that they didn't do their due diligence and rushed out funds without proper oversight. Honestly it doesn't sound great rushing out that amount of money (IF true), but with the backdrop of what was coming, it is obvious WHY they rushed.

Really, the accusation of corruption is comical given this administration's actions.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Simply moving something along faster isn’t malfeasance though, it’s efficiency. Unless there was some issue with what they did, but so far no one has pointed to anything that I can find. They just executed the grant programs as directed by congress.

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[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 10 points 2 days ago

There's a link early on to a separate, earlier page on epa.gov, which is also insane, which makes it clear that the "gold bars" are metaphorical. Someone allegedly said something about "throwing gold bars off the Titanic," some sort of nugget of theoretical truth I guess being that a lot of people were trying to get as much money out the door as possible before Trump came in and destroyed everything, and then Newsmax and Breitbart seized on the opportunity to deliberately misunderstand the metaphor as something literal, and also make up a whole bunch of total bullshit out of the whole cloth.

I didn't look too deep into it because it's clearly all gibberish. What I just typed is as far as I went. But there are links on the page, if you have some mental fortitude and want to go adventuring. I honestly don't think it's worth much time to look into.

Looks like a grant based program to electrify housing etc. was included in the inflation reduction act, and a fund to distribute funds to grant recipients was created. I'm guessing the total funding was $20 billion, to be distributed over several years. One of the manager/admins previously worked at a group that was one of those receiving the initial set of grant funds. Claims conflict of interest without citing evidence. Another group appears to involve Stacy Abrams, and looks to have been created from other groups to carry out the kind of work the fund was designed to address. Thus, it's new and has only 1 year of tax reporting available with little revenue.

What I'm getting out of this is that non-profit volunteers or admins who go into the federal government aren't allowed to work in their area of expertise, even with sufficient conflict of interest reporting, and that private citizens who support their preferred candidate for president aren't allowed to work with groups that recieve any federal grants, ever.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Meanwhile we need to ask what Trump is doing with $2 billion worth of gold bars.

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[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

already trying to smear a potential (she has not declared her intent to run yet) democrat candidate for georgia's open governor's race (kemp is term-limited).

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[–] glimse@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

It's obviously fabricated because everyone knows Joe Biden deals in copper

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

this is nuts. how can I trust any government communication with his people at the helm.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago

it's "opposite day". today, tomorrow, and every day until this nightmare ends. pretty much everything that spews out of the anuses of this administration is a lie.

[–] RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Wow. It's a list of his enemies and saying they stole gold bars.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago
[–] forrgott@lemm.ee 6 points 2 days ago (4 children)

So all that's actually happened is a $20 billion contract was officially disbursed - as in, transferred to a private installation. So the contract is closed.

Just to be clear, I don't believe there's enough gold bullion in existence to represent 20 billion; besides, is gold did go missing from fort Knox, we all know trump stole it.

Final note: there's no way in hell 20 billion isn't just a made up amount. Maybe 20 million? But they been caught just straight up lying about total monetary amounts.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

Well, there's certainly enough gold bars to cover that amount, gold is stupid expensive. You're right about the rest though.

There's about $290 billion in bullion in fort Knox, which is something like 4.5 metric tons.

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[–] antihumanitarian@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ironic that a forum about disinfo has some thinking the gold bars, thrown off the Titanic, here are literal.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean the disinfo is definitely leaning into the confusion. I included quote marks, but they did not. I fully expect that Trump or one of his people will announce the story taking it literally, if it gets wider traction (which seems not unlikely.)

[–] antihumanitarian@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah the title is pretty accurate, no blame there. Comments were just amusing.

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