I just want people to go vegan because it's so easy, healthy and the right thing to do if you dare to look at it. Simply the most powerful powermove any random chad can do instantly.
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I'm doing what I can, and encourage others to do the same cuz why not; but also under no illusion that our efforts are going to even delay our extinction by a meaningful amount.
We're at the mercy of some miracle-tier scientific breakthroughs, or literal divine/extraterrestrial intervention. There's a shred of hope in the former, but realistically, we're fucked.
The problem is your dooming inspires others to give up.
Your "realistical" conclusions are parroting oil industry astroturfing lies. We are not doomed because the research is made by them and they are unrelenting in their lobbying and sabotage. Trump destroyed movements and research and every swine with money will continue to sabotage progress on mother earth until we make them stop. Then it ends. Don't be a problem in this class war and choose sides
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one big disease could thanks snap the population. how we would survive afterwards is another question.
but high pop loads lead to more chance of drastic collapse.
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Kierkegaard's knight of infinite resignation vs knight of faith
Precisely my point. Even if recycling is a corporate propaganda to shift blame to consumers and the majority of plastics do not get recycled, or that saving water is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of water lost to pipe leaks, it is still better than doing nothing.
Would these doomers have preferred if they had done nothing at all?
The reason the corporate propaganda to shift blame works is because you are spending your energy worrying about and debating it and telling people that every drop counts rather than doing the far more effective work of organising and fixing the actual problem which is the fact that capitalism is destroying our ecology.
They know it works, they've reused the same playbook for every major ecological disaster, and it keeps working, because we're here chastising each other to just recycle, just save water, just reduce your carbon footprint, just don't use plastic straws, and on and on and on, instead of organising a real solution.
And in case anyone asks whether you can do anything to change the capitalist hellscape that we're living under, I would give your own logic back to you - every little bit works towards the solution. Build local solutions, build mutual aid, wean yourself and your community off of dependence on capital and the state, build mycelial networks of resistance, and you might find that you're less alone and more powerful than you realised before you did this.
every little bit works towards the solution. Build local solutions, build mutual aid
build mycelial networks of resistance, and you might find that you're less alone and more powerful than you realised before you did this.
I didn't mean to say otherwise in my initial comment, but that is what i am trying to say. It is a collective effort-- all from all individual effort, from your neighbours, to yourself, to companies, to politicians, each of which combined together progress towards a meaningful path. We all have to hold each other accountable. It has not come perfectly of course, but at the very least there is some move towards combating climate change, which is better than doing nothing.
My comment is towards those who resign themselves to apathy when they find out that saving water doesn't do as much or what they put into recycle bin turned up in landfill. These little things are better than doing nothing at all. Some people have a notion that they are some sort of superhero. That's why I hate the phrase "hero of your own story. No, we are all just mere humans doing what we can to survive and help one another.
Can you explain what you mean by "hold each other accountable"?
Funding for global climate change has no oversight and is rife with corruption.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/climate-change-finance/
A lot of the funds go to strange projects, such as building luxurious hotel with solar panel, and even fossil fuel plants that are somehow considered green.
Nicaragua was right not to sign the 2015 Paris climate deal because they correctly believe it doesn't go far enough. Governments, businesses and people have to be held accountable if we are serious about this.
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A drop in the bucket, which is fully comprised of drops ;)
"What is an ocean, but a multitude of drops?"
- Cloud Atlas
Definitely one of my favourite quotes.
Doing what I can still basically feels like doing nothing anyway. Like when you finish a mission in Helldivers and it shows how much your team contributed to the total effort.
The tare machine: "You have used a reusable bag for a decade and recycled every recyclable object you bought after using it until it was unuable. You have decreased the effect of climate change by 0.00000000125%."
Me: Yay! I'm helping! 🥹
You’re helping!
Idk, people who were safe in western states called me a doomer and got mad at me for my sadness being unproductive while a hurricane killing people and flattening neighboring towns. No one is an effective activist 100% of the time, maybe let people grieve for five seconds.
It's even more chadlike to fall and get back up
I mean, sure, it's not like I died from crying
Based
Sounds like Chad just wants praise for performative actions.
ok doomer
I will not engage in climate denial by pretending individual efforts can outcompete corporate & military polluters to save us from climate collapse.
You could broaden the scope of what you believe you "can" do
I think actively participating in anti-capitalist revolutionary efforts is the most meaningful thing we can do. I don’t think we can save the planet without it.
We’re going to have to choose between a few dead oil executives, or a dead planet.
All avenues are important. Effort needs to be put into what you stated, but effort also needs to be put into helping people who are living month to month make the small changes that they are able to. Not everyone is in a privileged position of being able to upend their entire world without life changing consequences.
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The climate is going to suffer, there's no doubt about that. When that happens, obviously humans will try to fix it. Why be a doomer now when you could start fixing what you can?