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submitted 15 hours ago by hperrin@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

My dad uses Google Maps, and he mentioned that it seems to be getting worse. Like, giving him directions that are obviously worse than alternatives. Has anyone else here experienced this?

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[-] SomeGuy69@lemmy.world 1 points 2 minutes ago

Google is doing a lot of A and B testing right now. Some days I habe to use Bing or duckduckgo, no matter what, or else I get shit results.

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 4 points 49 minutes ago

It coincides with their switch to more and more "AI" black box models. Whereas before they would use a hand-tuned heuristic model to describe whether you are turning, merging, or continuing on a road, they just use a less correct but automagic model where they still inevitably have to tune it a whole lot but it is "AI" so it has the approval of the petty lords of management.

Incorrect entrances and closed roads are another example. They're just using satellite and street level imagery and tossing it at some models that spit out things like "door 99% confidence" and "road 98% confidence" while neglecting the question of, "are you actually allowed/able to use this?"

PS under basically every correct answer in this category is a team of poorly-paid "labelers" whose answers directly turn into the data in the map. Your door-that-is-not-an-entrance was marked entrance because someone making $8/hr only had 10 seconds to review before moving to the next question.

[-] KinglyWeevil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 23 minutes ago

Semi recently had mine try to take me through a private business parking lot which was entirely fenced off, and didn't even connect on the other side. That was... confusing, to say the least.

[-] AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 1 points 27 minutes ago

I haven't had any issues with Google maps recently, occasionally it'll try to take me on a more "fuel efficient" route. Recently my wife used apple maps and it took us to the wrong location, it kept trying to take us to Washington township when the address we entered was in Washington heights.

[-] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 1 points 9 minutes ago

Fascinating, I’ve found better results with Apple Maps lately than Google Maps. Which blew my mind, because Apple Maps was a complete joke when it launched.

[-] superkret@feddit.org 7 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

They switched from giving you the fastest route by default to giving you the one that uses the least gas.
They also now offer alternative routes that take you past businesses which paid money to Google.

[-] MonkRome@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

That's in your trip options "prefer fuel efficient route". You can turn it off.

[-] superkret@feddit.org 4 points 2 hours ago

I know. But I won't.
Hypermiling is as fun to me as driving fast is for others.
It's like a mini-game I get to play every time I'm forced to drive a car.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago

Apparently everyone ITT has had 100 times more trouble with Google maps than I ever have had. Seriously entire categories of problems I've never experienced. Google maps has never tried to make me drive through a yard or field for example. Been using it since before it was a smartphone app.

[-] justtobbi@feddit.org 11 points 7 hours ago

I'd like to recommend 'Magic Earth' to everyone, who wants a privacy respecting Maps alternative with trafic data. I used it on several >500km trips and it only misguided me once. It uses OSM maps and can navigate offline.

[-] sensiblepuffin@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Seconded! It also has a more informative cycling interface.

[-] Schmuppes@lemmy.today 1 points 6 hours ago

Gonna check that out for a trip next week, thank you!

[-] Limfjorden@feddit.dk 4 points 6 hours ago

In my experience, google maps is really bad at finding parking. OSM-data is just better in this regard

[-] criticon@lemmy.ca 25 points 11 hours ago

There's an option to prefer fuel saving routes, which are worse most of the time. This was a kinda recent chance and it is enabled by default, try to disable it and see if it helps

[-] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 1 points 8 minutes ago

Fun fact, they let you tell them what kind of vehicle you have for the fuel efficient route. So when we told it we have a PHEV, it started recommending more surface streets than highways. Kinda cool.

[-] Nawor3565@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 11 hours ago

It does indicate the "fuel efficient" route pretty clearly though, and always gives multiple other options including the quickest one that isn't as efficient. If this is what's causing the issue, OP just needs to look closer at what's on their screen.

[-] Railing5132@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

In my experience, the "quickest" are more fuel efficient than the "fuel efficient" routes, which take me through residential areas (where every intersection is protected, meaning a stop sign in at least 1 direction) or stair-stepping on county roads where the speed-up/slow-down cycle negates the benefit of driving on slower roads.

[-] whatwhatwhatwhat@lemmy.world 34 points 10 hours ago

needs to look closer at what's on their screen

IT guy here. The number of tickets I could close with this as the root cause.

Honestly I wish you were able to. Some of these people have no excuse to be as ill proficient as they are, and maybe that would change if you could just tell them they 'read mother fucker' and let nature take it's course.

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[-] Lumelore@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 10 hours ago

Yep. Multiple times I have had Google maps direct me to back employee only entrances instead of the regular entrances. Sometimes it seems like Google doesn't even recognize that the front entrance even exists.

[-] weker01@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 hours ago

All this talk about organic maps here on Lemmy does not feel organic at all.

Is there an ad campaign or something?

[-] superkret@feddit.org 8 points 2 hours ago

What sense would it make to spend money on an ad campaign for Organic Maps? It's completely free and the makers of the app literally get nothing out of you using it.

[-] wholookshere@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 hours ago

I mean it's always a good assumption nowadays with chat gpt

[-] GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world 20 points 11 hours ago

It's definitely been getting worse. The written directions aren't always accurate. Exits sometimes have the wrong label. Lanes are missing on the highways when they merge and separate.

I've also seen a similar thing with routes not always showing up or giving bad directions. It attempted to take me through a school bus barn and even through someone's yard once.

[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 26 points 13 hours ago

Am from Malaysia and since the road and street is named using local language(bahasa malaysia), google now read out the full road name in terrible accent and pronunciation it took 3 or 4 times longer to finish an instruction readout, which in some case you will miss your turn. The instruction sometime couldn't even fit on the UI because the road name is just so long. It also read out which lane you should take just for turning. Before the change i can easily navigate the confusing city of Kuala Lumpur because the instruction is clear and concise, now i have to fight with the instruction because 3rd quarter of the time it's a language i can't recognise due to the terrible pronunciation.

Ohh did i mention the ads? They found a way to sneak ads into navigation. Now if you want to turn left 500m ahead, instead of telling you "turn left" , they will tell you to turn left after "xyz shop". Now you will be looking for that shop instead of turn left. The app is maintained by techbros that never drive

[-] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 12 points 11 hours ago

Just like their search engine, making you scroll down further and potentially not even wanting you to leave their page, maps is trying to send you into the vicinity of more physically so you can go into their store and tell them that you found them along a route suggestion.

I don't think the above is true. At this point I'm just trying to give them ideas on how to enshittify it more.

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 49 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Makes sense. Google has been replacing skilled engineers with tail-eating AI regurgitation engines, which are getting progressively worse as they eat their own shit.

But I've been told those regurgitation engines are about to get really smart and replace all skilled labor.

So maybe it'll be fine.

Or maybe, as we've already started to see, more and more useful stuff will only be available via the Internet wayback machine, until they kill it.

[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 28 points 14 hours ago

I was in New Mexico recently and Google Maps gave me a route from Bandelier National Monument to Santa Fe that included a “shortcut” through the Los Alamos National Laboratory campus. I got to meet a security guard.

So, yes. I would say I have experienced this.

[-] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 35 points 15 hours ago

Google/Waze will volunteer users to take alternative routes to scout out ways around congestion. It can be a better route, but you are the guinea pig, so you can get the short end of the stick.

There also is learned driving habits that may inform routing choices.

[-] bulwark@lemmy.world 13 points 14 hours ago

That's pretty interesting about the scout cars.Is there any sort of indication thats what they're doing? I will say given Google's track record I wouldn't put it past them to intentionally route traffic near where their paid advertiser's money comes from.

[-] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 13 points 14 hours ago

No indication except for knowing the area and being sent a strange way that doesn't make sense to you.

The routing is ambivalent to advertising money. The driving data they sell informs where advertisers put money. Horse, then cart; not cart, then horse.

[-] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

So far... I can easily see some MBA wanting to add that "feature". They have your driving history, they could easily route someone with Starbucks stops past more Starbucks for a fee.

[-] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 18 points 13 hours ago
[-] Anivia@feddit.org 2 points 6 hours ago

Ive used those and their routing is not even close to Google maps

[-] jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 9 hours ago

My biggest gripe with Organic Street Maps (and every OSM) client that I've tried is that I can't find a way to display the destination address when I get close. I do some delivery work and that drives me crazy. Otherwise, it's great.

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[-] KazuchijouNo@lemy.lol 31 points 15 hours ago

Yeah, twice this month. It's taken me through a dirt road (where we got stuck in the mud) and a closed road. Its also told me to turn at places where I cannot or where I must not. I've also checked that the car directions are selected and not "bike" or something else.

[-] IlIllIIIllIlIlIIlI@lemmy.world 9 points 14 hours ago

A few weeks ago I talked with a big truck driver and he said that Google maps sent him through a mud track. At the end the truck got stuck between two village houses. He lost one our to get out with the help of several neighbors. Its time to change to "Organic maps" or Osmand.

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[-] Nemo@slrpnk.net 13 points 13 hours ago

I just took a trip and the estimated arrival time assumed I would drive 15mph over the limit without stopping the whole way.

[-] Zorg@lemmings.world 18 points 13 hours ago

I hate that "feature" so much. For a while it has used the speed of other's phones for your ETA. As in, if everyone is doing 10-15 over the speed limit, you're expected to go with the flow.
I don't want a more accurate ETA. I want to arrive when it says I will if I follow all speed limits, and shave off a couple minutes if I am going faster than that.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 hours ago

How come it doesn't just know whether you tend to speed or not? Doesn't Google know everything about everyone?

[-] CandleTiger@programming.dev 5 points 9 hours ago

That would be super awesome if navigation apps had profiles.

Like, when I’m driving my car I go the speed of traffic or maybe a little fast.

And when I’m driving my motorhome I go 65mph tops and really slow up hills.

But totally nobody does this. Even the RV Trip Wizard app (built around Here navigation) makes you choose between “I drive XXX speed on average” (ignoring actual speed limits and conditions, just assume constant speed) or just assume normal traffic.

Why can’t they recognize that different drivers drive differently???

[-] IlIllIIIllIlIlIIlI@lemmy.world 12 points 14 hours ago

Time to switch Gmaps to Organic Maps or Osmand. Both free and with offline navigation.

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[-] Drusas@fedia.io 2 points 10 hours ago

Absolutely. Not only does it show ads now, it's so busy that it's distracting and hard to keep track of your route.

[-] BCsven@lemmy.ca 10 points 15 hours ago

Mine is fine, but somehow my wife's gives her the worst possible routes that are counter intuitive. We checked all settings about avoiding / not avoiding tolls, ferries, etc. She just some gets crap directions.

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