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I'm pretty sure Trump isn't even in the bottom 5. Best president is probably Lincoln?
The bottom of the list is definitely a crowded field. No way Trump comes close to worst.
Least bad president is really just between Lincoln and FDR. Unless someone wants to make an arguement for William Henry Harrison for dropping dead a month after being elected
It's tricky because he was a monster who saw to the death and displacement of a lot of Native Americans before he was president.
Though I guess that's also true of basically every US president, at least until they started killing people overseas instead.
So yeah probably in the top three.
Yeah, there's not a lot of competition for least bad president
depends if we count the rest of their lives or not, he participated in genocide but mostly not as president.
Right exactly. You'd gave to leave out his pre-presidential career as a genocider to make that argument.
I'm not about to rank US Presidents but Lincoln was no good guy. Perhaps the bar for presidents is just that low and he might still be top 5 dunno don't care.
Check out "Black Reconstruction in America" by W.E.B. DuBois - excellent book about the revolutionary aspect of slave liberation, and how Lincoln tried his damnedest to avoid liberation then went way soft on former Confederates, and really curtailed actual power change to the freedmen. (Johnson of course cranked this to 11 and REALLY fucked shit though)
And of course MANY atrocities were committed against indigenous peoples under Lincoln.
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https://www.history.com/news/abraham-lincoln-native-americans
Yeah, like you say I was working off the bar being incredibly low since every president is a mass-murdering psychopath. Certainly not trying to argue that he was a good person, we're in agreement on that.
Worst is probably Andrew Jackson. Probably not even close off the top of my head
for me it's johnson. most US presidents have no choice but to suck, the myriad of forces that put them in power all suck also so they are just representing their shitty base. Johnson wasn't elected and destroyed reconstruction and botched maybe the one moment in American history with any potential to improve this shithole. He went out of his way, above and beyond, to permanently make America worse.
Dubya has way more blood on his hands by comparison.